taurus...junk??
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I would say 80% of the negative reviews are from those that never owned one, they just repeat what other mods and those they think have more experience in firearms. The most negative I hear about is the CS, not all of their CS is as bad as you hear, One reason CS tends to be bad is when the customer first calls they're already ****** off and the CS rep returns the same favor, CS reps did not make or assemble the firearm, a little respect will go very far with most all CS reps. btw I have a PT1911, excellent firearm in all aspects.
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Again - my Taurus PT 145 Millie Pro is great. Now you all have me convinced to run another 100 rounds through it...
I DO need to run some high end defensive rounds through it though. I haven't shot anything but cheapo ammo [if there still is such a thing] through it.
Taurus gets the bad rap and probably, to a degree, more so than some other manufacturers but have you seen how Glock has dropped the ball lately?
Yep...Glock is solid but they certainly have had some real growing pains with their Gen 4 stuff.
Again - my Taurus PT 145 Millie Pro is great. Now you all have me convinced to run another 100 rounds through it...
I DO need to run some high end defensive rounds through it though. I haven't shot anything but cheapo ammo [if there still is such a thing] through it.
Taurus gets the bad rap and probably, to a degree, more so than some other manufacturers but have you seen how Glock has dropped the ball lately?
Yep...Glock is solid but they certainly have had some real growing pains with their Gen 4 stuff.
Once again. Taurus guns are well designed (where they differ from other makes) and are made with excellent materials. The company's weak point is in production. Toyota has given a lot of publicity to the idea that quality control begins on the production line, with machine operators who have the authority to stop production if they see something wrong. That might not be strictly true, but Toyota has a good reputation for quality.
Taurus either does not do that or their workers don't care enough to watch what they are doing. The result is predictable, Taurus quality control is spotty. Those customers, the vast majority, who get good ones, will have as good a gun as any on the market. Those who get lemons will tell the world, loud and clear. And Taurus has a lot of lemons, far too many.
As for customer service, if quality control worked 100%, there would be no need for CS. If it doesn't, CS will be swamped and unable to deal with all the problems that arise from poor QC. The ideal CS is the Maytag repairman, dozing through the day. Again, maybe not strictly true, but an ideal.
Jim
Taurus either does not do that or their workers don't care enough to watch what they are doing. The result is predictable, Taurus quality control is spotty. Those customers, the vast majority, who get good ones, will have as good a gun as any on the market. Those who get lemons will tell the world, loud and clear. And Taurus has a lot of lemons, far too many.
As for customer service, if quality control worked 100%, there would be no need for CS. If it doesn't, CS will be swamped and unable to deal with all the problems that arise from poor QC. The ideal CS is the Maytag repairman, dozing through the day. Again, maybe not strictly true, but an ideal.
Jim
I do think it's funny the bad rap Taurus gets. They dug their own hole but there definately is a bias against them now.
Someone else said this before - I'm just repeating it: Taurus makes a revolver that fires 410 shells and it is "stupid", a "solution searching for a problem" blah blah blah...
S&W makes a copy and people say "Hmmmm, this is an intriguing firearm with some interesting uses." Rossi makes one and it's like "Stop the presses - LOOK what Rossi is coming out with !!!"
Someone else said this before - I'm just repeating it: Taurus makes a revolver that fires 410 shells and it is "stupid", a "solution searching for a problem" blah blah blah...
S&W makes a copy and people say "Hmmmm, this is an intriguing firearm with some interesting uses." Rossi makes one and it's like "Stop the presses - LOOK what Rossi is coming out with !!!"
Clifford L. Hughes
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Roundeye:
After I retired form the Marine Corps I sold guns for about twenty years. During this time I sold many Taurus pistols and revolvers. I don't recall any of my customers that were unsatisified. I don't recall sending any more of them back for repair than I did the other major brands. I have never owned a Taurus and I have never shot one. I am a Smith & Wesson man. However, if I owned one I would shoot it.
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Clifford L. Hughes
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After I retired form the Marine Corps I sold guns for about twenty years. During this time I sold many Taurus pistols and revolvers. I don't recall any of my customers that were unsatisified. I don't recall sending any more of them back for repair than I did the other major brands. I have never owned a Taurus and I have never shot one. I am a Smith & Wesson man. However, if I owned one I would shoot it.
Semper Fi.
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Clifford L. Hughes
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dalegribble
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maybe we are looking at this whole self defense carry/shooting thing all wrong. if you want to have the most effective gun the information we should demand from shootings shouldn't be caliber first but brand, model and then caliber. maybe if they posted the brand and model of the guns used in shootings we would all be standing in line for a highpoint 9mm or some little jennings 25 auto.
This is all I will say.... Last week we got 5 firearms returned from customers for repairs at our shop or to send them to manufactures....
First one was a Savage 111 with synthetic stock that the threads stripped out for a sling swivel... no big deal.
Then there was a Taurus 709 slim that came back in... customer stated he nor anyone else could get it to shoot right... the sights were no where near point of impact. After talking with Taurus at their Miami shop yesterday... turns out the sights weren't the issue... the bore in the barrel was bored off-axis so they replaced the barrel.
Third we got back yet again another S&W .380 Bodyguard... great guns... but the laser buttons constantly break. This is the 7th or 8th one with a laser issue I have sent back.
Forth we had a Taurus 85UL come back... customer stated it would not lock into single action on all of the cylinders... and it really wouldn't. When I was getting ready to ship it... I noticed the hammer was actually sitting in the frame at an angle to the left if your looking at the back of the revolver... so the hammer is fitted... or installed... crooked.
I have yet to hear back from Taurus on this one yet.
Fifth we have yet another Taurus 85 UL that seized up after firing 3 rounds... of regular .38 special target ammo... Remington UMC. I just shipped that one.. and have yet to hear back from Taurus.
We have sold a lot of Taurus.... we have also received a high volume of them back for repairs. Thier pt92 and pt1911 are by far the most solid in their line up... but still come with their fair share of issues. You take a gamble when you buy them... and they are watered down copies of other companies with a proven track record... not something I want to bet my life on. For a range toy they are decent at best.... but I never recommend them as a carry gun or HD gun.
First one was a Savage 111 with synthetic stock that the threads stripped out for a sling swivel... no big deal.
Then there was a Taurus 709 slim that came back in... customer stated he nor anyone else could get it to shoot right... the sights were no where near point of impact. After talking with Taurus at their Miami shop yesterday... turns out the sights weren't the issue... the bore in the barrel was bored off-axis so they replaced the barrel.
Third we got back yet again another S&W .380 Bodyguard... great guns... but the laser buttons constantly break. This is the 7th or 8th one with a laser issue I have sent back.
Forth we had a Taurus 85UL come back... customer stated it would not lock into single action on all of the cylinders... and it really wouldn't. When I was getting ready to ship it... I noticed the hammer was actually sitting in the frame at an angle to the left if your looking at the back of the revolver... so the hammer is fitted... or installed... crooked.
I have yet to hear back from Taurus on this one yet.Fifth we have yet another Taurus 85 UL that seized up after firing 3 rounds... of regular .38 special target ammo... Remington UMC. I just shipped that one.. and have yet to hear back from Taurus.
We have sold a lot of Taurus.... we have also received a high volume of them back for repairs. Thier pt92 and pt1911 are by far the most solid in their line up... but still come with their fair share of issues. You take a gamble when you buy them... and they are watered down copies of other companies with a proven track record... not something I want to bet my life on. For a range toy they are decent at best.... but I never recommend them as a carry gun or HD gun.
I have no problem hijacking this thread which I thought was just a pretense to bring out the old "Taurus Sucks" chestnut anyway...
When you're talking about categorizing shootings by brand... I was thinking of several shootings where it appears that the criminal's firarms malfunctioned.
I wonder about that Orlando Internet Cafe shooting where it appeared that not all of the criminals weapons were firing, and there is the shoting of officer Steven Rankin - shot once in the face, and when Ben Westbrook III aims his pistol at the fallen officer to shoot again, the gun jams.
I'm thinking that criminals for the most part end up possessing cheaper, older, poorly maintained handguns (I'm not saying they carry Taurus). But maybe the disparity in the quality of firearms works to the advantage of law enforcement officers and law abiding citizens in general.
When you're talking about categorizing shootings by brand... I was thinking of several shootings where it appears that the criminal's firarms malfunctioned.
I wonder about that Orlando Internet Cafe shooting where it appeared that not all of the criminals weapons were firing, and there is the shoting of officer Steven Rankin - shot once in the face, and when Ben Westbrook III aims his pistol at the fallen officer to shoot again, the gun jams.
I'm thinking that criminals for the most part end up possessing cheaper, older, poorly maintained handguns (I'm not saying they carry Taurus). But maybe the disparity in the quality of firearms works to the advantage of law enforcement officers and law abiding citizens in general.
LockedBreech
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I have not owned a Taurus personally. However, two friends and a family member have, and all three of them will never mess with them again. All three found the guns to be jam-o-matic, lacking in finish and quality control, dealing with customer service a hassle, and none of them had the problems fixed when the guns were returned. I tried to help them with the guns and shot them myself, and agreed with their assessments.
I'm sure there are tons of happy Taurus owners out there, and I'm happy for them, but it irritates me when Taurus runs their ads in the gun magazines as being "the one gun to rely on when it counts" (I think that was the gist of a 24/7 ad I saw for them recently) when in fact their quality control at their price point is some of the worst QC in the industry. I get upset that someone might trust their life to a Taurus and end up dying because their gun was one of the ones that didn't get caught at the factory with problems.
I also find it ethically questionable that they market the Judge as a magical potent bad-guy stopper, when most .410 loads are slightly more potent in terms of penetration than a wet carrot.
I'm sure there are tons of happy Taurus owners out there, and I'm happy for them, but it irritates me when Taurus runs their ads in the gun magazines as being "the one gun to rely on when it counts" (I think that was the gist of a 24/7 ad I saw for them recently) when in fact their quality control at their price point is some of the worst QC in the industry. I get upset that someone might trust their life to a Taurus and end up dying because their gun was one of the ones that didn't get caught at the factory with problems.
I also find it ethically questionable that they market the Judge as a magical potent bad-guy stopper, when most .410 loads are slightly more potent in terms of penetration than a wet carrot.
My Ruger Police Service Six was cheap to buy ($274), and it definetly isn't junk.
As for Taurus, they do have more variance in QC than many other makes. And it seems to afflict some Taurus models more than others (22 LR Model 94s seem to have a high lemon rate ... I owned one, while .357 Model 66s seem to be quite well respected). But a good one is still good and a bad one is still bad. If a revolver passes the checkout process and the price is good, I go for it. I've got a wonderful 3" Taurus 431 .44 Special that I paid $268 several months ago. Accurate, reliable, clean DA trigger. As a bonus, it's not a bad looking gun either.
Is a S&W 696 nicer? Probably. But have you seen 696 prices lately? They are nice, but not 2 or 3 times as nice IMO.
.22 LR model 94
I'm one of the less than blessed who owns one of these. I had a Taurus PT99F for years, one of the first handguns that I owned, and it was incredibly reliable. I bought a model 94, it was a piece of junk from day one. I fired less than 50 rounds through it, and the cylinder started to bind and it required a sledge hammer to get the empties out. Sent it back to Taurus, and it came back with a new cylinder. Less than 50 rounds and I was back to where I started. It sits in the back of the safe now, I can't in good conscience sell it to somebody else. Lucky it was not very expensive.
I'm one of the less than blessed who owns one of these. I had a Taurus PT99F for years, one of the first handguns that I owned, and it was incredibly reliable. I bought a model 94, it was a piece of junk from day one. I fired less than 50 rounds through it, and the cylinder started to bind and it required a sledge hammer to get the empties out. Sent it back to Taurus, and it came back with a new cylinder. Less than 50 rounds and I was back to where I started. It sits in the back of the safe now, I can't in good conscience sell it to somebody else. Lucky it was not very expensive.
Friends don't let friends buy Taurus!
I once knew they were the best value for the money -- in the Smith & Wesson days. Then they started the flavor-of-the-month game and came up with the worst Quality Control and Customer Service.
My last, and I do mean LAST, Taurus was a Tracker .44 and it had two operational malfunctions that prevented its use out of the box. The Authorized rep thought he got it fixed. Cylinder locks when shooting less often, but still pretty consistently and could have gotten me killed in Alaska.
FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY TAURUS!
Spend whatever it takes to get something else -- an inexpensive gun that doesn't work could cost you everything!
I once knew they were the best value for the money -- in the Smith & Wesson days. Then they started the flavor-of-the-month game and came up with the worst Quality Control and Customer Service.
My last, and I do mean LAST, Taurus was a Tracker .44 and it had two operational malfunctions that prevented its use out of the box. The Authorized rep thought he got it fixed. Cylinder locks when shooting less often, but still pretty consistently and could have gotten me killed in Alaska.
FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY TAURUS!
Spend whatever it takes to get something else -- an inexpensive gun that doesn't work could cost you everything!
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