Taurus Disappointment
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Kreyzhorse
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Sorry to hear of your Taurus problems although they are all too common. I hope you can get it resolved quickly.
As a former Taurus owner, consider it a valuable lesson learned and in the future stick with guns that are well made and backed by a company that actually backs their products and customers.
Good luck.
As a former Taurus owner, consider it a valuable lesson learned and in the future stick with guns that are well made and backed by a company that actually backs their products and customers.
Good luck.
Sorry for your experience. I have owned one Taurus handgun. It was a Tracker 627. Right from the start after firing rounds the shelling casings stuck so bad I had to tap them out of the cylinder. This was factory ammo. Two trips to Taurus and some four months later the revolver still had the same problem. Took the revolver to a gunsmith and he look at the cylinder. His quote was: this is the worse machining I have ever seen in a new revolver.
I was lucky, the gun shop took the revolver back and I paid the difference for a S&W model 28.
Advice, stick with either a S&W or Ruger revolver.
Howard
I was lucky, the gun shop took the revolver back and I paid the difference for a S&W model 28.
Advice, stick with either a S&W or Ruger revolver.
Howard
Taurus
I sold guns for one of the big sporting goods stores for a while. Quality from Taurus is a 50/50 deal. Better chance of a good revolver or pistol is Ruger or S&W. I did buy a Taurus pistol, it wouldn't run 100 in row EVER. It was one that looked like a Beretta, you'd think it would work. I traded it in on a Ruger.
I do have an older Rossi .38 that is great but some of the Rossi revolvers don't work either.
While I worked at the stoe we had a Tourus .22 with a 4" bbl. Great looking gun. Sold it so I didn't get it. Customer brought it back, didn't work.
I don,'t plan on buying another Taurus, and that is based on my experience.
I sold guns for one of the big sporting goods stores for a while. Quality from Taurus is a 50/50 deal. Better chance of a good revolver or pistol is Ruger or S&W. I did buy a Taurus pistol, it wouldn't run 100 in row EVER. It was one that looked like a Beretta, you'd think it would work. I traded it in on a Ruger.
I do have an older Rossi .38 that is great but some of the Rossi revolvers don't work either.
While I worked at the stoe we had a Tourus .22 with a 4" bbl. Great looking gun. Sold it so I didn't get it. Customer brought it back, didn't work.
I don,'t plan on buying another Taurus, and that is based on my experience.
Heavy Metal 1
New member
my experience was different
I have a Taurus revolver that got messed up because of what I did to it. I had a squib reload that got caught in the forcing cone; I had to pound the cylinder open & I ended up bending the crane. I sent it in for repair. It was repaired, no questions asked, returned promptly & has been flawless. It was clean, packaged right, etc.
I bought it new in ~ 1993 Right out of the box it was extremely accurate and the single action trigger breaks like the proverbial glass rod. I have a buddy that bought a PT92(?) that gave him trouble. Another bud has a 45ACP Milenium Pro & a Judge and hasn't had any problems with them.
I have a Taurus revolver that got messed up because of what I did to it. I had a squib reload that got caught in the forcing cone; I had to pound the cylinder open & I ended up bending the crane. I sent it in for repair. It was repaired, no questions asked, returned promptly & has been flawless. It was clean, packaged right, etc.
I bought it new in ~ 1993 Right out of the box it was extremely accurate and the single action trigger breaks like the proverbial glass rod. I have a buddy that bought a PT92(?) that gave him trouble. Another bud has a 45ACP Milenium Pro & a Judge and hasn't had any problems with them.
I dont know bout all of you other guys out there, but one thing that annoys the poodle out of me is the gun mags. They give glowing reviews of every gun they review, with maybe a little nit to pick about a few ftfs or fte or other such problems. Only paying the issues lipservice and then going on to say the gun is top notch.
Every so often you see a review of a new taurus gun and not one mention of this companies QC issues. I know Mas Ayoob is a memeber here, It is my hope he will chime in on this issue. Why dont the gun mags ever do any articles on Taurus's continued lack of serious quality controll and poor customer service. Why arnt they talking about the fact that buying a taurus is like playing the lottery, you never know if your getting the winning number till its to friggin late. I should know, one of my first auto pistols was a tuarus pt945, everytime i would pull the trigger, the magazine plate would fall out and bullets tumble out of the gun. Now at this time you could not(and still cant around here) find taurus mags anywhere, and i didnt have internet then.
I truely wish the QC problem was resolved becuase they have a few products id buy right now, if i knew that i stood a chance of getting a quality product. Namely the M856 all steel snubby and the 24/7 lineup.
Every so often you see a review of a new taurus gun and not one mention of this companies QC issues. I know Mas Ayoob is a memeber here, It is my hope he will chime in on this issue. Why dont the gun mags ever do any articles on Taurus's continued lack of serious quality controll and poor customer service. Why arnt they talking about the fact that buying a taurus is like playing the lottery, you never know if your getting the winning number till its to friggin late. I should know, one of my first auto pistols was a tuarus pt945, everytime i would pull the trigger, the magazine plate would fall out and bullets tumble out of the gun. Now at this time you could not(and still cant around here) find taurus mags anywhere, and i didnt have internet then.
I truely wish the QC problem was resolved becuase they have a few products id buy right now, if i knew that i stood a chance of getting a quality product. Namely the M856 all steel snubby and the 24/7 lineup.
My judge was broken out of the box also. Sent it back and fourth many times for about a year. Nothing ever fixed, no documentation other than the word "repaired" or "replaced". They REFUSED to talk to me. If I argued with the person who answered the phone about talking to a manager or anyone higher up they would dump me in a no name voicemail and I never got a return call. Finally did a very well written and documented BBB complaint. Had a check in a month.
Seems to me we may have a whining customer trend instead of product problems repeating itself here. The very same comments were made continuously about Ruger in the early 1980's--if anyone remembers?
Gun owners willing and able to smooth out burrs and mill marks, polish feed ramps and forcing cones, and replace trigger and extractor springs will almost always be happy with most firearms.
Over at the Kel-tec forum, the very same sack of spit goes on continuously even though they make some of the most concealable, affordable, reliable, and light weight firearms on the market. If Taurus makes total crap, then just tell me why there's a Judge and a 1911 lying all over every single gun shop counter in the USA? Seems like sensible shop guys would nill them for something else, so much so that Smith and Wesson brings out similar models of each years later. What gives?
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Gun owners willing and able to smooth out burrs and mill marks, polish feed ramps and forcing cones, and replace trigger and extractor springs will almost always be happy with most firearms.Over at the Kel-tec forum, the very same sack of spit goes on continuously even though they make some of the most concealable, affordable, reliable, and light weight firearms on the market. If Taurus makes total crap, then just tell me why there's a Judge and a 1911 lying all over every single gun shop counter in the USA? Seems like sensible shop guys would nill them for something else, so much so that Smith and Wesson brings out similar models of each years later. What gives?
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Shadi Khalil
New member
a7,
So what your saying is, if I spend hundreds of dollars on a handgun I should not mind having to finish what the factory didn't? That's absurd. Any filing, fitting or polishing should be done at the factory before its shipped out.
Taurus has some great designs and their catalog has something for everyone. Couple that with their competitive prices and excellent marketing and you've got products that will sell. I think it also has a lot to do with first time buyers who don't really know about the over looked details that leave them with a lemon.
It's pretty obvious that Taurus uses a pump and dump strategy; get the guns out there and deal with the issues later. And when a certain model has a design flaw or defect, rather than issue recalls, the model just disappears from their catalog. I don't need Mas Ayoob or any other gun writer to tell me that Taurus does not stand behind their poorly made (for the most part) products. I had to learn the hard way, like most other former Taurus owners.
So what your saying is, if I spend hundreds of dollars on a handgun I should not mind having to finish what the factory didn't? That's absurd. Any filing, fitting or polishing should be done at the factory before its shipped out.
Taurus has some great designs and their catalog has something for everyone. Couple that with their competitive prices and excellent marketing and you've got products that will sell. I think it also has a lot to do with first time buyers who don't really know about the over looked details that leave them with a lemon.
It's pretty obvious that Taurus uses a pump and dump strategy; get the guns out there and deal with the issues later. And when a certain model has a design flaw or defect, rather than issue recalls, the model just disappears from their catalog. I don't need Mas Ayoob or any other gun writer to tell me that Taurus does not stand behind their poorly made (for the most part) products. I had to learn the hard way, like most other former Taurus owners.
That's pretty close. What I'm actually saying is that most shooters want to fork over a few hundred dollars for a gun and expect it to perform like a thousand dollar gun or match gun. That's just stupid thinking, and I'm guilty of having a pinchant for cheap spit myself. When many people own several of their designs without ever having a hitch, what gives? They have a lifetime warranty, so what else would you want? That's a helluva lot more than S&W gave me on my worn out Model 66. My Taurus is still shooting. Go figure. It must be the same kind of tough luck, right?
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Do gun magazines ignore company performance in general or failures in the guns they review? Let's put it this way.
Company X has a poor history of quality control and honoring warranties.
Company X spends thousands of dollars every month advertising in Great Gunzine.
I am a writer for Great Gunzine.
I write a review of Company X's new Model 9999, saying that the Model 9999 is a sorry POS and complete junk, and that Company X won't honor their warranty. My article is not published, the story is turned over to Joe Toady who will praise the Model 9999, and I will find myself on the unemployment line.
Next question?
Jim
Company X has a poor history of quality control and honoring warranties.
Company X spends thousands of dollars every month advertising in Great Gunzine.
I am a writer for Great Gunzine.
I write a review of Company X's new Model 9999, saying that the Model 9999 is a sorry POS and complete junk, and that Company X won't honor their warranty. My article is not published, the story is turned over to Joe Toady who will praise the Model 9999, and I will find myself on the unemployment line.
Next question?
Jim
LockedBreech
New member
If Taurus makes total crap, then just tell me why there's a Judge and a 1911 lying all over every single gun shop counter in the USA? Seems like sensible shop guys would nill them for something else, so much so that Smith and Wesson brings out similar models of each years later. What gives?
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Taurus advertises very aggressively, so people buy their stuff. That does not mean their stuff is good. Similarly, just because Kimber buys the front and back cover ads in every magazine for the Ultra Carry doesn't mean a 3" 1911 is an ideal carry option.
I'm not claiming that they're automatically bad for that, but they certainly aren't good because they're on a lot of gun counters. Gun shop owners will carry what sells, period.
I think James k. nailed it. If a gun mag.[ And they don't survive on our $25 a year subscription fees ] Can't attract advertisers because they call their products junk, they Get another guy to write a glowing review, and the first guy is outa a job. I really wanted a Judge because of all they ads I read in gun mags., but after I looked further........well you know.
a7,
There's a difference between buy a 'cheap' used gun and a cheap new one. The used one, you buy with the knowledge you may have to tweak it a little, maybe put a few bucks in parts. The new gun should work right out of the box. The instances of a new gun being defective should be exceedingly rare and in those instances, the manufacturer should make it right ASAP. No BS, no run-around, no arguing about 'fault'.
Taurus has a high failure rate. I've personally known a dozen folks who bought them and were sorry. I personally know stocking FFL's who used to carry Taurus and won't carry them now. They got tired of shipping guns back & dealing with long time customers who were now dissatisfied customers. Couple that with the innumerable threads from established forum members who never bitch about anything else--but they've had trouble with Taurus--and I see a pattern developing. Taurus has QC problems at an inordinately high rate and they're not particularly motivated to correct those problems ASAP.
I ain't a Taurus hater, I'll buy a 450 one of these days, when the right deal comes along, and that is if I don't buy a Public Defender first. Like you, I just might get lucky and get a good one.
There's a difference between buy a 'cheap' used gun and a cheap new one. The used one, you buy with the knowledge you may have to tweak it a little, maybe put a few bucks in parts. The new gun should work right out of the box. The instances of a new gun being defective should be exceedingly rare and in those instances, the manufacturer should make it right ASAP. No BS, no run-around, no arguing about 'fault'.
Taurus has a high failure rate. I've personally known a dozen folks who bought them and were sorry. I personally know stocking FFL's who used to carry Taurus and won't carry them now. They got tired of shipping guns back & dealing with long time customers who were now dissatisfied customers. Couple that with the innumerable threads from established forum members who never bitch about anything else--but they've had trouble with Taurus--and I see a pattern developing. Taurus has QC problems at an inordinately high rate and they're not particularly motivated to correct those problems ASAP.
I ain't a Taurus hater, I'll buy a 450 one of these days, when the right deal comes along, and that is if I don't buy a Public Defender first. Like you, I just might get lucky and get a good one.
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Anybody ever own a Ford Escort? Two of my friends suggested I pick up one a few years ago. They each had a sedan and a wagon with over 200,000 miles on each of them, and each reported they got over 30 miles per gallon. They each bought theirs used with a little over 100,000 miles on it. We were carpooling a long trip at night together, so I grabbed a sweet-lookin' 1998 model with only 89,000 miles. It was small, but even had a CD changer and electric windows.
It was the beginning of the worst two years in Hades of my life! It left me stranded twice, and I replaced every single electrical component on her, only to have the local dealership to tell me I needed a $1200 fuel pump job. Sold her and lost more money. Came to find out, these buddies had tuned and spent money on theirs all along. What I'm saying is, I needed to check things out really well before hand. I didn't expect it to perform like a Mustang GT, nor ride like a Lincoln, but I did expect it to run for a while. I still had less in the total investment than a new Mustang or Continental after repairs, so go figure.
Same thing with guns and other toys. Expect to replace plugs, belts, hoses and wires. Keep your fingers crossed if you spend Kel-tec money for a Springfield, but please don't whine when it lets you down. If you wanted a custom gun with all hand finishing, you should have bought one. If you can use a screwdriver and sandpaper, then you can probably make your better than it is now. Right this minute, I'll guarantee you somebody is pitching about his new Winchester or Remington letting him down when he could have bought a slick little Kimber for only a couple of hundred more. As for me, I'm very thankful for my Nissans.
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Anybody ever own a Ford Escort? Two of my friends suggested I pick up one a few years ago. They each had a sedan and a wagon with over 200,000 miles on each of them, and each reported they got over 30 miles per gallon. They each bought theirs used with a little over 100,000 miles on it. We were carpooling a long trip at night together, so I grabbed a sweet-lookin' 1998 model with only 89,000 miles. It was small, but even had a CD changer and electric windows.
It was the beginning of the worst two years in Hades of my life! It left me stranded twice, and I replaced every single electrical component on her, only to have the local dealership to tell me I needed a $1200 fuel pump job. Sold her and lost more money. Came to find out, these buddies had tuned and spent money on theirs all along. What I'm saying is, I needed to check things out really well before hand. I didn't expect it to perform like a Mustang GT, nor ride like a Lincoln, but I did expect it to run for a while. I still had less in the total investment than a new Mustang or Continental after repairs, so go figure.
Same thing with guns and other toys. Expect to replace plugs, belts, hoses and wires. Keep your fingers crossed if you spend Kel-tec money for a Springfield, but please don't whine when it lets you down. If you wanted a custom gun with all hand finishing, you should have bought one. If you can use a screwdriver and sandpaper, then you can probably make your better than it is now. Right this minute, I'll guarantee you somebody is pitching about his new Winchester or Remington letting him down when he could have bought a slick little Kimber for only a couple of hundred more. As for me, I'm very thankful for my Nissans.
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Shadi Khalil
New member
a7,
Reliability, a decent fit and finish do not make a match gun. Those are the basics. Either your standards are ridiculously high or incredibly low.... As for your car analogy, sorry but it does not work here. Wear and tear is one thing, we are talking about a product not working or failing very soon after purchase. As for their warranty, I think Chris Farley put it best in the movie tommy boy...
I'm a Sig and S&W fan to the bone, however, if someone post a bad experience with them I certainly don't hold them at fault. I think it's silly when forum members are lambasted for informing others of an issue with a gun.
Reliability, a decent fit and finish do not make a match gun. Those are the basics. Either your standards are ridiculously high or incredibly low.... As for your car analogy, sorry but it does not work here. Wear and tear is one thing, we are talking about a product not working or failing very soon after purchase. As for their warranty, I think Chris Farley put it best in the movie tommy boy...
I'm a Sig and S&W fan to the bone, however, if someone post a bad experience with them I certainly don't hold them at fault. I think it's silly when forum members are lambasted for informing others of an issue with a gun.
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