"Target" rifle?

[Snyper]

Savage rifles have a good track record shooting F-class matches. They have button rifled barrels according to the Savage web site. For all I know, the Savage F-Class Team's rifles may well have had their barrels air gauged and those with smaller and very uniform groove diameters may have been used. That's what I would do.

That's because the purposely built that rifle for that class simply so they could claim their "factory rifle" could do it.

It's not a "hunting rifle", and didn't even exist prior to 2005

 

[rwilson452]

The vast majority of them will start walking shots away from the point of aim after 4 to 5 shots as their barrels heat up then bends from uneven pressure against the receiver.

I have seen the same effect going from a clean to a dirty barrel.

 

[4runnerman]

snyper--
That keeps getting tossed out when the reality is those rifles were purposely built for competition and are not typical "off the shelf hunting rifles"

Wrong snyper- Those are off the shelf out of the box rifles you buy. They are not custom rifles.

5inadime- All you have to do is google it and you will find it.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/08/savage-f-tr-team-world-beaters-on-a-budget/


www.savagearms.com/news/article/?id=1DoKxAoZh


www.savagearms.com/news/article/?id=1DoKxAoZh
http://www.fishingbuddy.com/team_savage_takes_national_title_breaks_1_000_yar

snyper- These are stock savage rifles you buy in the store. Now I will give you they are F Class rifles, But they are also competing against $10,000 to $15,000 class rifles, and still beat them. And all for $1200..00.

 

[rwilson452]

That's because the purposely built that rifle for that class simply so they could claim their "factory rifle" could do it.

It's not a "hunting rifle", and didn't even exist prior to 2005

Is this sour grapes? it sure sounds like it.

 

[precision_shooter]

Snyper...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the title of this thread is "Target" rifle. You keep bringing up that Savage "target" rifles are not hunting rifles. Hunting rifles have no relevance for the given subject...

 

[Snyper]

Is this sour grapes? it sure sounds like it.

It's simply the truth

Savage built those rifles strictly as target guns, which is why they win sometimes

This thread started out asking about a "target and hunting" rifle, and has (as threads do) drifted somewhat due to other comments

http://www.gunblast.com/Savage-12F.htm

Now, Savage has taken all the features of the high-dollar F-Open-Class custom rifles, and built them into a production gun that can compete in the class that allows any production rifle.

In the production, or mass-produced category, the rifles must be pretty much out-of-the-box guns with very few modifications, and be chambered for a factory cartridge.

What Savage has essentially done is to mass-produce an open class rifle, having all the features of the expensive custom guns, at an affordable price

 

[Snyper]

Snyper...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the title of this thread is "Target" rifle. You keep bringing up that Savage "target" rifles are not hunting rifles. Hunting rifles have no relevance for the given subject...

From the OP:

Quote:
Originally Posted by erted45
I'm looking for a rifle with a heavy(er) barrel, that I could use for target shooting up to 300 yards and for hunting up to a maximum of 500 yards.

From Post #31:

Snyper, all of Savages rifles are accurate for several reasons, whether they be hunting rifles or B.R. rifles.

I wasn't the first to bring up hunting rifles.

I'm just pointing out Savage won some matches because they built a special purpose rifle, and not because they are really more accurate than any other brand

 

[4runnerman]

I'm just pointing out Savage won some matches because they built a special purpose rifle, and not because they are really more accurate than any other brand

snyper- Again- Savage has won more matches than any other rifle( Not some matches).
Savage rifles are more Accurate than most if not all brands.

I have a 6MMBR-F Class Rifle. I use it for Yote Hunting every year. Weight is not a issue as I use a special swivel rest.

All we are stating is- If OP wants a heavy barrel long range Hunting/ Target rifle, Then Savage would be a very very smart purchase. When OP mentions Heavy Barrel, then weight is a null thing as any heavy barrel rifle you get is going to be on the heavy side as compared to a hunting rifle.

 

[Snyper]

snyper- Again- Savage has won more matches than any other rifle( Not some matches).
Savage rifles are more Accurate than most if not all brands.

Once again it's repeated. but nothing has been shown to verify the claim

snyper- These are stock savage rifles you buy in the store.

Now I will give you they are F Class rifles,

But they are also competing against $10,000 to $15,000 class rifles, and still beat them. And all for $1200..00.

Correct, they are F Class target rifles, and I suspect the match guns are hand picked

 

[Bart B.]

I think one can get a rifle with sights made for less than $2.5K that'll shoot as accurate as the current record holders in any long range discipline. Those records are the best they've done; most of the other 98% of their performance ain't nearly as good.

 

[FiveInADime]

5inadime- All you have to do is google it and you will find it.

I did search and all I could find was about the F-T/R team wins. One of your links shows they did well at an international fullbore match in Canada.

I wonder if a Savage has ever won an F-Open major event?

I read a thread a while ago about short range bench guns built from Savage target actions and most of the respondents said that the Savage action was plenty capable of the accuracy required but wasn't slick enough to run a group as fast as competitors like. Pretty much everyone agreed that their factory barrels weren't consistent enough to compete in SR Benchrest. They mentioned a guy that tried and went through 12 savage barrels to find a "hummer" but he decided later it just want worth the effort.

Almost everyone agreed that the Savage rifles should/would be much more competitive in LR Benchrest where it's not as much of an arms race.

I would totally buy a Savage F-Class if I wanted to try my hand at F-T/R. It's really the only way I could afford it.

 

[Bart B.]

What's a "hummer" barrel?

I read a benchrest record holder's comment that a hummer was a barrel that shot bullets that wouldn't drift sideways in a crosswind. But he couldn't explain the physics that made that happen. He got real angry about being told that was physically impossible.

 

[old roper]

Savage may win F-Class but BR matches are by weight of rifle including scope and that includes BR 1000yds.

Bart you want to know what hummer barrel is go to BR match with your 308 and find out.

 

[FiveInADime]

What's a "hummer" barrel?

I read a benchrest record holder's comment that a hummer was a barrel that shot bullets that wouldn't drift sideways in a crosswind. But he couldn't explain the physics that made that happen. He got real angry about being told that was physically impossible.

Bart B,

I just heard the term thrown about and assumed it meant a barrel of exceptional accuracy. I think I've also read someone day it was a barrel that shot bullets at higher velocities than a typical match barrel at a given length.

I don't think it's much of a technical term with a defined meaning.

 

[precision_shooter]

I wonder if a Savage has ever won an F-Open major event?

National Title, while breaking 1000yd record
http://www.savagearms.com/news/article/?id=2K5nTzegQ

World Championship - Winners
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/08/savage-f-tr-team-world-beaters-on-a-budget/

Fullbore - all 7 gold medals and 6 silvers
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/08/team-savage-does-well-in-can-am-fullbore-matches/

 

[FiveInADime]

National Title, while breaking 1000yd record
http://www.savagearms.com/news/article/?id=2K5nTzegQ

World Championship - Winners
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/08/savage-f-tr-team-world-beaters-on-a-budget/

Fullbore - all 7 gold medals and 6 silvers
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/08/team-savage-does-well-in-can-am-fullbore-matches/

You just linked the same stuff I already mentioned.

F-T/R championships and one Canadian fullbore match.

I'm sure there's been a Savage action that's won an F-Open event but I haven't read it for myself. I wonder again if a Savage barrel has won in an unlimited type event of any kind. I am just curious as to how many types of competition are Savage rifles dominating.

 

[precision_shooter]

There was a link to where Team Savage finished 2nd in F-Open event in England. But I don't know if they have won one.
Looks like the win was attributed to caliber selection...

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...rld-f-class-championships-usa-f-tr-team-wins/

 

[FiveInADime]

There was a link to where Team Savage finished 2nd in F-Open event in England. But I don't know if they have won one.
Looks like the win was attributed to caliber selection...

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...rld-f-class-championships-usa-f-tr-team-wins/

That was Team USA which wasn't all Savage Team guys? Even the Savage Team members on the USA F-Open team are not credited as using Savage rifles in F-Open. A 30lb F-Open gun seems like something Savage is unlikely to sell in the future.

 

[Snyper]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4runnerman
5inadime- All you have to do is google it and you will find it.

Then it shouldn't be difficult for you to find it and post the links that verify your claim

 

[4runnerman]

http://randywakeman.com/savageteam_0003.jpg

Here is a picture of some of the trophies. Show me any other gun manufacturer that can come close to this. Also I did not say F Class.I said more competitions.