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"Target" rifle?
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Every 452 (22 lr and 22 mag) owned is a tack driver, and none of them are heavy barreled versions. Am betting you will like the varmint version.
Also own/use a 550 varmint in 308. One of the early versions in fiberglass stock, aluminum bedding block. Very accurate and consistent, but it be VERY heavy for a hunting rifle.
Also own/use a 550 varmint in 308. One of the early versions in fiberglass stock, aluminum bedding block. Very accurate and consistent, but it be VERY heavy for a hunting rifle.
erted45 said:I was considering getting something like a Match 54 Anschutz (used of course) or a Suhl 150 and while these probably more accurate I think I'm leaning more towards the CZ as I believe it's more versatile...
Or you could split the difference with an Anschütz 64 MPR. With the accessories available for it, it's a do-it-aller. If I were limited to a single rimfire rifle, this would likely be it.
Ah yes, the 64 MPR. Had an eye on that one for quite a while. Great rifle, no doubt. It is a bit pricey tough (but then you are getting plenty for your money).
Another option I would consider would be an Izhmash BI-7-2KO or the SM-2KO. I actually got to handle and shoot the BI-7-2KO (albeit in a custom stock) and it is superbly accurate and just a fine gun (also, it might be a problem getting stuff from Russia at this point, due to the embargo. I would have to check on that).
I'll think about it I guess...
Another option I would consider would be an Izhmash BI-7-2KO or the SM-2KO. I actually got to handle and shoot the BI-7-2KO (albeit in a custom stock) and it is superbly accurate and just a fine gun (also, it might be a problem getting stuff from Russia at this point, due to the embargo. I would have to check on that).
I'll think about it I guess...
Fotheringill
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Just got a Savage 12 in 223 with Target action and target accu-trigger. They have similar in other calibers. Look for single shot and orange accu-trigger. I am only shoot at paper, but it sure does shoot well.
4runnerman
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Fothering-What Model you get?. FVSS?.
Snyper, what you said about WBY makes little sense. Who has ever manufactured a rifle that will shoot every load you feed it accurately?
Exactly, which is why it's sales hype, since it just means they found ONE load that would do less than 1" from a machine rest
It doesn't make them more accurate than any other rifle
.Keep believing that Browning is as accurate as Savage.
Have you ever had either a Savage or a Browning apart for re-barreling?
Off -the =shelf Brownings are as accurate as any comparable Savage
I don't care anything about "rebarreling" since every thing I've said has been about unmodified hunting rifles.
I'm seriously wondering if you've read anything I really said, since you keep bringing up "re-barreling"I am seriously wondering if you have ever shot either one of them
FairWarning
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Savage if value/$ has meaning to you. Savage rifles punch WAY above their weight. Model 10 FCP-Ks or similar compete with rifles costing 2X as much or more.
And I wouldn't get some exotic/magnum caliber, get .308, because you'll shoot it a LOT and .308 is more than capable.
I really like the Weatherby TRRs and CZ-750s, but not enough to dish out 2X-3X what it costs to get an FCP-K.
And I wouldn't get some exotic/magnum caliber, get .308, because you'll shoot it a LOT and .308 is more than capable.
I really like the Weatherby TRRs and CZ-750s, but not enough to dish out 2X-3X what it costs to get an FCP-K.
DAVID NANCARROW
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A second vote for a 308 caliber target rifle. Seems like almost everyone makes one, and available in basic to pretty exotic platforms, so there has to be something to suit you. A plus is that since you already have a hunting rifle in the same caliber and don't reload, your ammo will work in either one. Finally, there are a lot of great factory 308 match loads out there available, and likely cheaper than some of the other calibers.
4runnerman
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snyper- While most rifles off the shelf hunting or bench are accurate,they are not as accurate as a Savage. That is a fact that is just that. As for rifles shooting more than one load accurate- Many will do that. I have many loads for my 308 that will shoot sub MOA. As I have said before- If your rifle will not shoot MOA or sub MOA-get rid of it. I have 3 that are not bull barrels. 223 and a 243 and 22-250. After working a new load last 2 weeks,all 3 are sub MOA with ease.
Now granted your deer rifles do not need to be sub MOA,but it don't hurt if they are. Savage are not MOA rifles,They are sub MOA rifles. Savage also ( off the shelf target rifles) win more comp shoot outs every year than any other rifle,this includes custom made rifles as well. That is a fact.
Now granted your deer rifles do not need to be sub MOA,but it don't hurt if they are. Savage are not MOA rifles,They are sub MOA rifles. Savage also ( off the shelf target rifles) win more comp shoot outs every year than any other rifle,this includes custom made rifles as well. That is a fact.
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4runnerman
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Bart can't answer that. I can repeat what I have said-Savage wins more comp shoots every year than any other rifle and that includes custom built rifles. Now are these world renowned shooters?. Don't know,but for the other 99% of us that just shoot matches- Savage is by far the king of the ring. My matches I shoot in are a 6 state wide area, MN,ND MT,SD Wis, and Canada.
You have to interpet it how ever you will. Is it the most accurate rifle built-I doubt it. Is it on par with them-Yes I think so.
You have to interpet it how ever you will. Is it the most accurate rifle built-I doubt it. Is it on par with them-Yes I think so.
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snyper- While most rifles off the shelf hunting or bench are accurate,they are not as accurate as a Savage.
That wasn't my observation when I was working
I can repeat what I have said-Savage wins more comp shoots every year than any other rifle and that includes custom built rifles
That keeps getting tossed out when the reality is those rifles were purposely built for competition and are not typical "off the shelf hunting rifles"
I have 3 that are not bull barrels. 223 and a 243 and 22-250. After working a new load last 2 weeks,all 3 are sub MOA with ease.
I have lots of off the shelf rifles that will do sub-MOA and they aren't Savages
That's a fact too
It's only been in the last 5 years or so that Savage started winning matches, and that's because they designed the guns for that alone
I get that you like them , and won't buy other brands, but that's not proof of anything
Don't know,but for the other 99% of us that just shoot matches- Savage is by far the king of the ring.
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FiveInADime
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What kind of competitions are the Savage rifles winning? I'm just asking, I know they have a reputation for a reason.Bart can't answer that. I can repeat what I have said-Savage wins more comp shoots every year than any other rifle and that includes custom built rifles. Now are these world renowned shooters?. Don't know,but for the other 99% of us that just shoot matches- Savage is by far the king of the ring. My matches I shoot in are a 6 state wide area, MN,ND MT,SD Wis, and Canada.
You have to interpet it how ever you will. Is it the most accurate rifle built-I doubt it. Is it on par with them-Yes I think so.
I don't think open benchrest, Palma, high-power, smallbore, etc. are dominated by Savage rifles or actions.
I'm not being argumentative, I just truly don't know what type of competition they're winning in other than F-Class. I heard the Savage F-Class Team guys had 4-groove, cut-rifled barrels on their guns (although I don't know what's true) so if that's the case they're just as custom as a 700 action with a non-factory match barrel.
Savage rifles have a good track record shooting F-class matches. They have button rifled barrels according to the Savage web site. For all I know, the Savage F-Class Team's rifles may well have had their barrels air gauged and those with smaller and very uniform groove diameters may have been used. That's what I would do.
I don't know if there's a source listing rifle action/barrel makes used in all sorts of rifle competition. Benchrest matches often list everything used by all competitors, but rarely does any other discipline. One has to shoot in it and talk with those producing the best results to learn what's used so they're "in the know." People not in that group often have a hard time believing what those "in the know" pass on.
I don't know if there's a source listing rifle action/barrel makes used in all sorts of rifle competition. Benchrest matches often list everything used by all competitors, but rarely does any other discipline. One has to shoot in it and talk with those producing the best results to learn what's used so they're "in the know." People not in that group often have a hard time believing what those "in the know" pass on.
rwilson452
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Shooting 22RF you will find your 22 will shoot one brand/type of ammo better than another. Not necessarily a high end target load. You just need to try a lot of different ones to find the sweet one. as to center fire you need to learn reloading to get the best result. By reloading I could get my synthetic stocked 30-06 model 70 to sub MOA.
I think most (smallest fraction or more over half of them) commercial bolt action centerfire rifles with internal box magazines will shoot sub MOA at 100 yards for 3 to 5 shots with Federal, Hornady or Black Hills match ammo starting with a fouled bore. Some makes and types of hunting ammo will also do that well. How much their inheirant accuracy is degraded by marksmanship counterinfluences not considered.
The vast majority of them will start walking shots away from the point of aim after 4 to 5 shots as their barrels heat up then bends from uneven pressure against the receiver.
The vast majority of them will start walking shots away from the point of aim after 4 to 5 shots as their barrels heat up then bends from uneven pressure against the receiver.
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