"Target" rifle?

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While all Tikkas may be required to put 3 shots into a group of 1-inch or less before it can leave the factory, there's no guarantee every customer getting one can do that with 3 shots.

What does a customer do if his first three shots have an extreme spread of 1.7 inches and never gets a group under 1.2 inches?

What does that customer do if he gets the rifle back after sending it to Tikka and it's returned saying it's within specs for accuracy, but cannot get a 3-shot group less than 1.2 inch?
 
Bart, I completely agree. The best and most expensive tools in the world are useless if the operator is not proficient with them...

Just stating a fact that the "out of the box accuracy" of the rifle itself is more than sufficient for his intended purpose and changing all the parts he listed was not required. If the operator can't shoot it well as-is, then changing everything on the gun is not going to make them any better at shooting...
 
Thanks for the information and recommendations, guys.
I should mention that I am aware of the part that the user plays in rifle accuracy and that I would still need a lot of practice and hours spent at the range to become more proficient.

There is however, one more (last) thing I would like to discuss. Would it make sense to keep the current rifle (X-Bolt), save up some money and buy myself a higher end rifle (something along the line of a Sako TRG-22)? I know this is a bit contradictory to what I said earlier (better equipment =/= better shooter) but I would of course spend more time on the range before making the leap to something like a TRG.

Would this make sense? Or is there no point in getting something like a TRG because a T3 Varmint is just as "good" (somewhat stupid statement, because if this was true, no TRG would have ever been sold...)?

Thanks again.
 
erted45 said:
Thanks for the information and recommendations, guys.
I should mention that I am aware of the part that the user plays in rifle accuracy and that I would still need a lot of practice and hours spent at the range to become more proficient.

There is however, one more (last) thing I would like to discuss. Would it make sense to keep the current rifle (X-Bolt), save up some money and buy myself a higher end rifle (something along the line of a Sako TRG-22)? I know this is a bit contradictory to what I said earlier (better equipment =/= better shooter) but I would of course spend more time on the range before making the leap to something like a TRG.

Would this make sense? Or is there no point in getting something like a TRG because a T3 Varmint is just as "good" (somewhat stupid statement, because if this was true, no TRG would have ever been sold...)?

Thanks again.
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Many have recommended the Savage 12LRP. It's the only rifle I've seen mentioned that has a real "target rifle" pedigree. It has a legit target trigger, as well. 6.5 Creedmoor match ammo is available off of the shelf from Hornady and when I've seen it it was ~$30/box.

I know you're in Europe so I don't know about price and availability there.
 
Yeah, I can't get that one out of my mind. One thing that I'm interested in is how "tough" is this rifle? Bear in mind I would use it for hunting in various conditions as well and it just looks very delicate, like it just isn't meant to be dragged through thick brush (because it probably really isn't).
 
Savage rifles typically do well in such events, so I think their barrels have to be fit better than all the others. I'm not aware of any other commercial rifle that does that.
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They do well because Savage designs and builds those rifles specifically for those events

There are few other "commercial rifles" geared strictly for competition.
Most market hunting and sporting configurations
 
erted45 said:
Yeah, I can't get that one out of my mind. One thing that I'm interested in is how "tough" is this rifle? Bear in mind I would use it for hunting in various conditions as well and it just looks very delicate, like it just isn't meant to be dragged through thick brush (because it probably really isn't).
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It's a hunk of stainless steel and a top-notch fiberglass/synthetic fiber HS Precision stock. It'll show scratches like anything I suppose.

Can't imagine what about it couldn't handle hunting situations other than it's formidable weight.
 
To me, it's not just about how much a rifle weighs, but where it carries it's weight. For a bench rest/target gun that will be carried from the truck/house, to then bench, and back to truck/house, it doesn't really matter.

For a rifle that will see double duty as a hunting weapon, it makes a huge difference. The 12LRP is on my list of rifles to own, but the super heavy barrel makes it very muzzle heavy. Carrying with a sling, it will want to rotate backwards away from the shoulder. Carrying in hand, you will find yourself switching hands/positions a lot due to fatigue because of the muzzle-heavy rifle. Being muzzle heavy, when pulling it up to the shoulder and firing from a standing or kneeling unsupported position it will not lend itself to the accuracy you may need/want and will require some sort of support (Fence post, shooting stick, tree limb) in order to make an accurate shot...
 
While all Tikkas may be required to put 3 shots into a group of 1-inch or less before it can leave the factory, there's no guarantee every customer getting one can do that with 3 shots.

What does a customer do if his first three shots have an extreme spread of 1.7 inches and never gets a group under 1.2 inches?
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They don't gaurantee the abilities of the shooter, nor do they promise it will group like that with all ammo

It's sales hype, just like the targets that come with Weatherby rifles
 
I do not know how the WBY rifles are sales hype. If your WBY rifle will not print SUB MOA with WBY ammo, you can send it to WBY. They will shoot it and if it does not shoot sub moa for them, they will fix it. WBY has a distinct advantage because their ammo is mfg. to such exacting standards. Some of the non-WBY chamberings have a designated factory cartridge by another maker, but it usually costs a pretty penny.
 
Snyper, all of Savages rifles are accurate for several reasons, whether they be hunting rifles or B.R. rifles.
1. High quality button rifled barrels.
2. The ugly nut allows them to precisely adjust headspace.
3. The floating head makes it irrelevant that perfectly square actions are not possible in assembly line rifles.
4. They do an acceptable job of bedding their actions. (Some Al block, some pillar, some "accu", some just an accurate injection mould; but they all work well in their price point)
5. Very stiff actions.
 
Snyper, all of Savages rifles are accurate for several reasons,
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They really aren't any more accurate than other brand unless you only mean the one they design and build specifically to compete in F Class matches


I do not know how the WBY rifles are sales hype. If your WBY rifle will not print SUB MOA with WBY ammo, you can send it to WBY. They will shoot it and if it does not shoot sub moa for them, they will fix it
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The targets that come with the Weatherby rifles show what they did with a particular load and most likely fired from a machine rest.

They aren't any more accurate than other brands that don't include a target

There is no promise they will shoot that well with all loads and all shooters

Go back and read what Bart posted, and what I replied to, in order to get the proper context
 
Snyper, what you said about WBY makes little sense. Who has ever manufactured a rifle that will shoot every load you feed it accurately?

Keep believing that Browning is as accurate as Savage. Have you ever had either a Savage or a Browning apart for re-barreling? I am seriously wondering if you have ever shot either one of them.
 
Whoa, you guys seem to have quite a debate here :)

As for me, I've slept over this and am still torn. That Savage just won't go out of my head.

And now, a new "problem" (you might say I'm complicating... and while I probably am, I would say I'm simply weighing my options :D)

Anyway here's the deal I was thinking about. Keep the X-Bolt, and get myself a "decent" .22 (something like a CZ 455 Varmint or Ruger 10/22 Target).
The way I see it, it's a good solution for most of my "problems" - it satisfies my need for target shooting, plunking and just messing around (in a safe way :D ). At the same time it's also very affordable and a great platform to learn the fundamentals of target shooting (I'm no marksman, as you might have guessed).
I do currently own an old, beat up .22, single shot, with open sights, lousy trigger and no option for mounting a scope (having a gunsmith drill and tap holes in the receiver and make a custom mount would cost more that the rifle is worth). While it may be flawed, I still like it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
 
Good idea.

If you don't already have a good .22LR rifle and want to improve your marksmanship, it's time to get a good .22LR rifle, IMO.

Personally, I'd skip any 10/22 (or any semi-auto .22 rifle). A good bolt rifle is a much better choice for this application, methinks. The CZ452 Trainer would be an excellent choice, as you can learn to shoot it with a scope or with it's excellent iron sights. For the money, Savage offers good bolt .22LRs as well.
 
Everyone enjoys a good .22 to plink with. Don't know what ammo availability is like there still hard to find .22 LR ammo most places here. As for centerfire, choose a chambering that you can reliably get, pick as platform that calls your name (sounds like the Savage is) and make theleap, and don't look back. Unless you are unlucky enough to get a complete lemon you will be fine.
 
Short and Sweet,Hands down, No compatition- Savage all the way. People can trash there cheap stocks all they want, but when the targets come back to the table a very quiet hush falls. Mouths open,eyeballs pop and then the other excuse's start coming out:D
 
Ok, so I just got back from a gun shop (had to go and pick something up for a friend) and I noticed they had a CZ 452 Varmint. A freaking 452 Varmint! I think I'll do my best to get it. I just hope it'll wait for me (the shop assistant said it was the last one... )
 
Don't discount the new FN Model 70s, they don't have tendency to walk after getting warm.

I have a post '64 pre FN Model 70 Featherweight, its good for 5-7 rounds before it starts to walk which isn't bad for a hunting rifle. I also have a FN Featherweight that doesn't.

The FNs come bedded and the barrel is free floated. I can go through a box or more and the last round goes the same place as the first.
 
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