SW SDVE

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I can only speak from my experiences with my SW9VE I had. I loved the grip, it's very comfy. The trigger is wide and comfy also but it is hard.

I took the torsion spring off the trigger and made it better. I never had a misfire and it never failed to go bang. It can hold 17 rounds of 9mm.

I bought it for $300 and it was a good deal.
 
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Sigma & SD's use the same mag. Only difference is the base pad which is cosmetic.
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Thanks for the info. This sort of thing is the reason I love this forum. :)

FWIW I had long suspected that the differences were cosmetic only, but I don't have personal experience with the SD series pistols, so I didn't want to assume so and disseminate incorrect info; there are examples of magazines that are absolute spitting images of one another, yet they aren't compatible, notably S&W 439/539/639 mags in a 3904/3906/909/952.
 
Slick guns has posted prices of $259 lately. I'm rationalizing a purchase as a cheap way to get a couple of extra magazines free. You are all welcome to use that logic. It isn't completely original... I'm learning to be aggressive on the trigger trusting the shot will break right. Funny how much better the trigger feels
 
I had an SD9VE for a while as well but eventually sold it.

It just ruined my Shooting skills due to recoil anticipating and Trigger jerk. It was just too light for me and did not like the squirky Plastik. I changed it for an Beretta 92 style pistol.

After Shooting the SD9VE my Shooting skills were ruined that much I could not hit anything with my SAA Revolver.

The SD9VE funktions flawless and never had an malfunktion blamed to the gun. They are even almost imposible to limb wrist. They are as much reliable as an Glock.

For me the gun was to light, Trigger was not good and I decided to leave the whole Plastik type pistols for home defense gun. CCW can have an Plastik Frame but it must be modular. For HD I would want at least an aluminum Frame pistol.
All Metall parts of the SD9VE are very well built. Better than a Glock. But the Plastik Frame is the shabby part of the gun although I bet it will last you a life time.
For me the SD9VE is a no no since it ruined my Shooting (recoil anticipation and flinching).
 
The amazing thing to me about the ancestral Sigmas is that when introduced many years ago, MSRP was $593 according to a description in American Rifleman. MSRP on a brand new M&P M2.0 today is $599 and best street prices are about $450.

In some ways at least, we are living in a good time.
 
My guess is this:

In roughly 1970 the industry switched from all metal guns to Plastik Frame pistols.

For sure manufacturers were lucky to Charge the customer almost the same Price for a way cheaper to make gun.
Pistol Prices should rise and fall with Petroleum Prices since the Frame is Petroleum.

So no you are still overpaying the SD9VE with 300 to 400$ never to speak for the M&P which is essentially the same gun with it's Price of 500 to 600$.
You should be able to buy the SD9VE for 150$ and the M&P for 200$.

Seems we still are stuck with the Price Levels of 1950's all Metall pistols.

On the other Hand Technology has enabled to perfectionize the JM Browning breech lock design which is an easy to manufacture and the most simple and durable mechanism. It has even almost displaced the Walther falling block design.
So further pistols should be even cheaper.
Considering the thin Plastik of the SD9VE they should sell for 100$ and the M&P for 150$.
The Beretta 92 and Taurus clone should sell for max 250$ considering the Technology advances in aluminum production (which was an incredible expensive Metall during WW2 due to the lack of Technologies availlable).

Basically you should be able to pick up a very good and reliable polymer pistol for 50$ and an all Metall pistol for 100$ in the near future.

I would not be surprised if the Glock type, Beretta 92 type and 1911 type pistols had an production cost of not more than 100$ for eighter manufacturer for whatever type of pistol. The Plastik pistols may have an production cost of no more than 50$.
 
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For me the SD9VE is a no no since it ruined my Shooting (recoil anticipation and flinching).
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Sounds like a training problem to me. I have a couple of Co2 powered airguns that shoot cheap BBs and I use those to keep in practice with. They have the same heavy triggers as the Sigma. But I have learned to make good fast groups with them. And I can practice in my back yard and nobody is bothered by them.

You can get upgrades for the trigger. There are Youtube vids showing trigger mods. I did one on my SD9VE. But instead of removing a spring I replaced it with a lighter spring. And it made a difference. But it is still a long springy feeling trigger. But I am used to it. And that gun is my truck gun. Along with a spare mag.

I just finished reading a book called "Glock, rise of the American pistol". With the way the triggers were set up on the original Glocks the pull was so light that there were several unintended firings of the gun. Some ended in accidental deaths and some with injuries to the shooter of innocent bystanders. So the New York trigger was added that gave an 8 pound pull.

My information comes from the book. I do not own a Glock so only know what I have read. If I am incorrect feel free to update me. But this is most likely why the S&W SD pistols have the trigger pull that they have. S&W has just learned from Glock.
 
All pistols should have an SAA Colt type Revolver Trigger.

That would eliminate an endless and needless argueing about These extremely heavy Triggers.
I could not hit a damn Thing from 25 meters and that makes the gun USELESS.
You should be able to hit a Torso size target from 50 meters with each shot.

That is why I went with an DA/SA Beretta 92 type pistol. The light Trigger is neccessary.
Pistols should be carried with empty chamber or have Manual safeties. The example is an SAA Revolver. If you wanna shoot, cock the hammer. If you do not want to shoot, Lover the hammer. That is how I plan to operate the Beretta 92 pistol.
 
The thread titles SW SDVE. There are only SD9VE and SD40VE, one in 9x19 and the other in the 40 S&W considered by many as an "dead caliber".

I did: Taurus PT 92 AFS in 9x19.
 
The thread titles SW SDVE. There are only SD9VE and SD40VE, one in 9x19 and the other in the 40 S&W considered by many as an "dead caliber".

I did: Taurus PT 92 AFS in 9x19.
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I took the SW to be Smith & Wesson and the SDVE to apply to both calibers.
 
If you want a "cheap", throw away, Glock style and dead on reliable pistol, Glock type accuracy; then go for it. I hope you are able to hit something with it.
At 10 meters you most certainly will not have an Problem to pump a Torso size target full of bullets. Beyond 20 meters you have to do your part. However I shot once with the SD9VE an ostrich from over 100 meters (one shot one kill. Dunno' if that was just luck!).

It is essentially a Glock but with a way better slide and Barrel and better magazines (and with an worse Frame).

It is a Plastik pistol and is what it is.
 
Beyond 20 meters you have to do your part
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I thought you always had to "do your part".

Anyway I like my S&W SD9. I think its a great value and nice shooting pistol and I CAN hit with it. But I used to do a lot of shooting revolvers double action when shooting falling plate matches. I have shot DA so much that I forget my revolver can also be cocked for a single action shot.

Sorry about the 32 reference. I mixed up two different threads.:o

Did you watch that Youtube video I linked to in post #40? Hickock45 seems to be able to shoot his SD9 pretty darn well and do it at the maximum range of the targets he has set up.
 
Yes. I am not a phenomenal pistol shooter.
But fact is with my SAA I shoot way better. I do not anticipate recoil with that gun and it is a pleasure to shoot. Has 36 ounces.

The SD9VE with it's 22 oz never was a pleasure to shoot.
I hate missing the target since locally ammo is very expensive.

Considered I have small Hands and the grip with a pistol/Revolver never is rigth for me. But what I found is the bigger grip of an Beretta 92 or an SAA Revolver gets me a better hold to the gun as an smaller one (surprisingly). That phenomena Claim other People as well: People with small Hands sometimes prefer big grip guns as they can get a better hold on them (broomstick vs 2x4 as a grip).
The Beretta Pico 380 acp or the Taurus LCP 380 fit my Hand perfectly (to compare).

My Long guns (22 lr, 12 ga and 20 ga) all have adjustable stocks type M4 stocks which fit in the lowest Setting.
 
Guy not being a phenomenal shooter is no sin. I wasn't so great a shot either until I practiced like crazy. And I did a LOT of practice with a Crosman 1377 pump pistol. That was for shooting targets. And after you pump it up 5-8 times for each shot you start making shots count.

Everyone has their own personal taste when it comes to guns. Good thing we have choices isn't it? Are you able to handload where you live? I reload all my ammo. Thats only way I can shoot as much as I do. Where do you live in south america if you don't mind me asking?
 
Yes I locate in Southamerica.
Since reloading is an iffy issue here depending much on bribery and the opinion of each police officer.
However I imported already all my reloading equipment legally through customs and the gun agency.
Supposingly you can get all the reloading equipment as an private person but no gunshop is allowed to commercialize any reloading equipment. As I say: corruption, bribery.

At the moment I try to import gun powder.

I get the powder from scavenging 12 ga shotshells. That works. Primers are availlable from gunshops but no powder nor reloading equipment.
At the moment I reload for 38 spl, 9x19, 380 acp.
I cast my own bullets since none are locally availlable. I restricted my shooting for usefull things and do not plinker needless around.

I mostly shoot only if necessary like shooting wild dogs, cats, snakes and be prepared if there is an assault. Lately kidnapping has become more frecuent and so my reloads are there for the shtf event. Locally reloading saves from 50% to 80% of the factory ammo price.
 
I shot today an dove size bird with my Pietta SAA 357 mag Revolver from 35 paces (around 25 to 30 meters).

That I would never have achieved with the SD9VE.

The gun used was this exact model (Heritage but made by Pietta)

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Source of Picture http://www.heritagemfg.com/product_detail.cfm?prod_id=45
 
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