Stopping Power Bwaaaaahhhaaahaaaaa!

As someone who has personally seen several gun shot wounds in the field, I can tell you what I have learned.

1. Most people are a bad shot. 99% of kills are purely coincidental. I had a guy who was about 250lbs. was shot by someone running away from him. He too was "joking" with us, but not in the manner you think. His last words to me were "am I gonna die?". I thought to myself, nah, this guy is doing pretty good. 2 mins later he was unconcious and his chest was being cracked open to do cardiac massage. His L ventricle had been hit and was bleeding the whole time. The trauma was then called once we found that.

2. I have yet to see someone who was shot continue to persue the shooter, no matter what caliber was being used. Tough guys suddenly turn into whiney bitches when they are shot, and for good reason, it hurts like hell to be shot with any gun.

Now, what do we know about bullets traveling through the body? Forget about the .22 bullet bouncing around in the body. It rarely heppens. Most of the time the bullets enters and then comes ot rest immediately because it doesn't have enough energy to continue. If you're lucky, you will hit someone's spine or their stomach, which will cause bacterial problems, with a .22, but hell, that is quite a small target for either.

The larger the round and the more energy a round has, the more trauma it will cause. It could miss all vital organs simply in it's path, but the shock wave sent could tare the hell out of anything around it.

Two sides of it...this could go on forever and probably always will.
 
Troponin - Are you sure about that with the .22LR? I thought they typically entered the body, tumbled a little bit (but don't bounce around in the body as some think) to form a wound cavity a little larger than would be expected from a .22, and then come to a rest "backwards" with the base in front.
 
I have heard stories of .22lr fired into the skul...bouncing around tha cranial cavity wreaking havoc on the structure of the brain

But I have no idea if any of it is true

Sound cool though :D
 
Friend of mine was shot in the front of the chest with a .22 LR through a heavy leather jacket. Round made a 90 degree left turn came out the side of his chest, went through the leather again, then through the leather of the sleeve and into his arm.
 
It's very possible that the bullet made an immediate turn and came back out. I am betting that it didn't make it too much further than an inch or two deep though before making its' turn though. How far were the entrance and exit. They coule have been only a couple inches.

Unique, Perhaps they do tumble. I can see it doing that. Point is, it usually gets lodged into a bone or doesn't make it far. IMO, having someone go into surgery to have a bullet romoved from the torso is probably more high risk. Things can go south very quickly in the OR when you think everything is stable.
 
How far were the entrance and exit. They coule have been only a couple inches.
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Not sure how deep it was, but the entrance was a good 10-12 inches from the exit. I remember they made a small cut in his abdomen to check things out. Don't know if they used a scope or what, but they didn't do any cutting in his chest. They may have left the bullet in his arm. Can't remember. There was nothing vital hit. Wonder what would have happened if he'd been hit with a .45 Colt or ACP round....
 
Frank, I would expect most experts to pick the .223 round over the .308 or .30-06 round for military use, mainly because they have done so. Remember, the Russians have also moved away from the .30 caliber battle round with their 5.45mm round. Wound cavities are often not very impressive from the high powered .30 cal rounds, they are practically through the body when the wound cavity starts to form. Also, high firepower is much more deadly than slower, aimed fire in military battles. The .223 round lends itself to high firepower better with much less felt recoil and the soldier in the field can carry more than twice as many rounds for the same weight.
 
I for one own and shoot a .45. I have shot 9mm, and shot them both pretty well. I CHOOSE the .45 because I shoot better with it, and I assure you I can empty all 8 rnds COM at 7 yds. very quickly. I have never timed myself, but I am willing to bet that I can do so in the time It would take me to empty 8 from a 9mm. I know there is an advantage to being able to carry 10 rds in your 9mm mag, but many people feel comfortable having 5 or 6 rounds in a revolver, and I feel VERY comfortable having 8 in my S&W .45. 9mm is no better than a .45 in my situation. 8 rounds from a .45 is still gonna jack you up!
 
To be honest, I wouldn't feel any safer with17 rnds in my clip, but if you do, then you gotta use what works for you. The way I see it is that if 8 rnds hasn't done it, the guy is either retreating or on me by that point anyways(in which a physical altercation would then be the case, and I sure as hell am not going to let the guy have a chance of getting my piece with another 9 rnds to put in me), and if he isn't, I've surely explored the idea of a defensive position in which clip #2 goes in. Although I cannot plan precisely what any given situation would pan out to be, I can take comfort in knowing that I have what I need in both my firearm and my ability to defend myself should the firearm not be an issue. But that being said, I think of the firearm as the icing on the cake. Not something I plan to ever have to use.
 
How do you know she didn't STOP when shot? If you're "laughing" because she lived, then you should have titled it "Killing Power Bwwaa..............."
 
the best advice i ever heard on the matter came from a woman in my TN carry class. she had just moved from florida, and said that her instructor there had told her that in a situation where you have to shoot someone, you keep shooting until they go down. if it takes 25 rounds to put them on the ground, then thats what you use.
 
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