(SOT) Serious lifestyle question that ties in with guns...

Mike:
The wife and friends have tried every program there is. WW is the most sensible. You get to eat basically what you want and with the books they provide you find the fat content for regular grocery store food items. No frozen dinners no special foods no trying to decode the diet books to match the product you are buying. I would give WW a try and keep walking. She found that a short 2 mile walk at a normal pace plus following the WW plan led to a considerable weight loss.

Also the weight is taken off slowly with WW. You didn't add 80 pounds in 6 months don't expect to take it off in 6. A few pounds a week will add up and before you know it your no longer looking to a diet plan for answers you've already changed your eating habits and your looking great. Taking the weight off slow keeps it off. Starving yourself to take it off quick will only bring it back when you get tired of the shakes and protien bars. Good luck and stay positive !!!!

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I do it by having a high metabolism, but that won't last me forever.cuz when I hit 25, i am being told by certian influence sources in my life that its gone.

I have read and heard for several good sources that the atkins diet isn't meant to be a long term thing. Its more for athletes trying to bulk up

What helps stay thin is I work 10-11 hour days so I don't really eat all that much so there is nothing to gain weight with

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All of the reasons you listed are good reasons to reduce your body fat. That's what you need to do is reduce body fat, not weight. The problem with these diet programs is that often you have to follow all their guidelines, buy their food, etc. What are you going to do when you go to a restaurant and they don't have their diet food there?

These clinics and diets are merely lo-calorie diets all in disguise for the mere purpose of making money. All these diets are fads that continually get recycled over the years and I don't agree with any of them. The Atkins diet is high protein, low carb but in essence a low cal diet; how much bacon can you eat at one time?

High protein diets yield instant results which are actually initally water weight loss accompanied by muscle mass loss; something you don't want. Excessive protein intake in the form of food and/or powders equals expensive urine.

Too much protein and not enough carbs causes the body to burn the protein for energy; not efficient and not what the body wants to do. It results in the production of ketone bodies, toxic to your kidneys and not something you want.

The body wants and is most efficient at burning complex carbohydrates like pasta and potatoes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or an MD to realize that, pop open any basic biology book and read up on the Krebs cycle et al.

The Zone diet was/is popular and put out by
Dr Barry Sears. He advocates eating certain types of carbos as some are good and some are bad based on their "glycemic index". He contends that eating foods like rice and pasta are bad because they increase your glycemic index and fat deposition.

Not really. Glycemic index of foods may have some interest to someone who wants to control their insulin-independent diabetes but not for the average person. If eating rice or pasta were so bad, then why are people of asian decent often not fat?

He also erroneously stated that the Stanford swimming team won the championship after the swimmers got on his diet; never mind that the coach from Texas, the top swim team in the country, went to coach at Stanford when they won, also don't discount the individual swimmers. I bring out these points to show that these people are out for one thing, money.

If you take a brick size chunk of muscle compared to a brick size chunk of fat, the muscle will weigh more. That's why Arnold Weighs 200 something but doesn't have much fat on him; yet, he'd likely be listed as "unhealthy" based on inaccurate height and weight charts at the doctor.

You should be more concerned about your percent body fat than your weight. If someone weighs 150 lbs but is 35% body fat, they are worse off than someone who is 250 lbs and has a 10% body fat. You should have your body fat checked by a physical therapist or doctor as well as have body tape measurements taken.

Bear in mind that the only way of truly assessing your body fat is to disect you so what you are getting is an approximation based on cadaver study "norms". If you get your body fat checked, don't harp on, "oh it's 30%!" Use the number to track your progress. How you fit in your clothes is a much better indicator of reducing body fat than stepping on the scale.

So, what to do? My suggestion is to slowly change your eating habits, not necessarily the amount of food you eat. I don't think one needs or should count calories, if you need to count something, keep track of the number of grams of fat you take in everyday. You should consume approx 60% of your intake from carbs, 20-30% from fat and 10-20% from protein; the numbers may vary but the proportions should be around those.

Next, exercise and activity are a must. It's a pain and it's time consuming but necessary. If you want to exercise, my suggestion is to lift weights. The biggest burner of fat and calories in you body is your BMR = basal metabolic rate. That's your body's "fire" that normally burns throughout the day. This burn occurs at rest, when you sleep, .

You can increase your BMR by increasing muscle mass by lifting weights, heavy weights. Not that you have to be a power lifter, but you have to have enough resistance to allow for hypertrophic changes to occur. Lifting weights is an anabolic (build up) type of activity while cardiovascular training is catabolic (break down) type of activity.

Too much cardio equals no fat loss and can actually lead to muscle loss. Fat is a long term energy source which is burned best by your BMR at rest, not when running full bore on a treadmill; that's the reason you often see people run on the treadmill for hours everyday for years but don't lose any "weight".

There are numerous studies out there that support eating a well-balanced diet and working out leading to a healthy body and fat reduction. There's one in particular where 3 groups of people were used. One group dieted and had a diet a certain number of calories below the starting level. The second group dieted and exercised to the same level of caloric loss as the first. The third kept the starting level of calories but added a weight training program equal to the number of calories the other two were deficient in.

At the end, all groups were around the same weight. Group one had lost all the weight in muscle mass. Group two had lost similar amounts of weight but half of it was muscle. Group three had lost weight but gained muscle mass meaning the weight they lost was fat in addition to having muscle gain. I can look these references up if you need them.

I'd join gym with some good weight training equipment. If you need a trainer, look for one that's an NSCA Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist www.nsca-lift.org/ or a physical therapist who moonlights as a trainer.

Vitamins and supplements are not necessary, unless you live in 3rd world country and can't eat regularly or normally. If you need nutrition advice, talk to a registered dietician, not a nutritionist or some other "nutrition expert". Registered dieticians are licensed and have a strict standard they must uphold to. Vitamins and supplements are not regulated by the FDA, therefore may or may not contain the ingredients and in the amounts as advertised; they equal expensive urine. Good luck, don't stress it too much; you have to enjoy life, too and you don't want to make your whole life about obessing with your weight.
 
Activity boosts your metabolism; if your metabolism is higher, you burn more calories even when you're not exercising.

Good luck and best wishes.
 
Guys,

Thanks for all the advice and encouragement.

Yep, I know that I have to make lifestyle changes.

Yep, I know that a diet regime WITHOUT exercise is pretty much useless -- all that happens is that your metabolism adjusts for the lower caloric intake in a maintenance effort.

Nope, I don't drink much at all. It's been three weeks since my last beer.

I know I don't drink nearly enough water. I tend to drink coffee and diet Coke/Pepsi more than water. Bad, I know.

I'm considering Weight Watchers BECAUSE it teaches the behavioral modifications. As I noted, the other programs may work, but what happens when you stop eating their $25 lunches? You gain the weight back because you learned how to eat THEIR food, not the food that you get at Giant or Harris Teeter.

I do have a couple of other things going for me. I don't like beef all that much. Of the meat that I do eat, about 80% of it is chicken, usually skinless chicken breasts.

Beef and pork are combined maybe 10% of my meat intake, and other meats (such as lamb) and sea food the other 10%.

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My advice is to find an EXERCISE that you find FUN, and you'll do it regularly because it's fun. I suggest swimming, basketball, hockey, and bicycling as the top choices. Personally, I've never felt so good in all my life, and I attribute it to playing hockey. I learned to skate just out on some unused tennis courst in a public park when I joined up with some guys that play inline hockey - it's rough going at first, but now that I've learned the game, I play in a couple of leagues, and it is AWESOME - this may or may not be your cup of tea. But like Richard Simmons says, you've got to MOVE your body - diet alone will NOT do it. Treadmills and jogging are just too damn tedious and boring - find something fun!
 
First, I got rid of my TV. Then me and the missus found out how much fun gratuitus :D is. Then we also found out how much fun it is to take the baby to the park and swing him, and we've found out that the less we watch the tube, the more life we have to live. I can't imagine bringing the danged tv back into the house. I'm no stellar weight loss guru, but I think it starts with getting rid of every reason we have to sit around, and finding reasons (there are plenty around [called kids or grandkids]) to get out and do stuff. I haven't modified my diet much, just do more stuff. I'm not losing much either, just keeping on a level plain of happy-fat, not the larger, miserable-fat of some folks.
 
FUTO,

Unfortunatly, wringing the necks of liberal gungrabbers isn't very aerobic... :(

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Mike I dont want this to sound like a commercial for Health Aleart. "A monthly health letter" And I have not tried it yet , just got the first letter the other day, and I sure need to loose some lb`s so I can carry my Hi-Power ISWB.
But this Doctor I think has hit on something, it`s kinda in your blood type, differend diet for different blood types.
1-800-231-8063 I think about $40.
NO I dont sell for them, no commisions ect.
I dont even know if it works, but I sure would like to carry ISWB.

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B9,

It's called "Eating for your Blood Type" or something similar. My boss has a copy.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike Irwin:
FUTO,

Unfortunatly, wringing the necks of liberal gungrabbers isn't very aerobic... :(

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It can be if they fight back. ;)

Seriously, if you can just get over the "hump" of getting in the habit of regular aerobic actvity, then you can eat ANYTHING YOU WANT and still be much smaller than you are now. It's forming that habit that is very hard (21 days at least). Once the habit is formed, the exercise is actually enjoyable, and believe me, you will look forward to it. The key to getting over that hump, I think, is to find something fun (swimming, basketball, hockey, and racquetball are particularly good because they're done INDOORS, so the weather doesn't affect your getting it done! - bicycling, though fun, may get neglected when real hot or cold). I would think it's far more enjoyable as a long-term lifestyle choice to eat just about anything you want - which you can do when you're moving and burning those calories 2-3 times per week for an hour or two.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>There is almost NOTHING healthy or weight wise about PA German cooking.[/quote]

For those who don't know, the PA German diet consists of 3 food groups. This was illustrated quite effectively a few years back when the local TV station covered a pot-pie festival (yes, you read that right). They were interviewing a woman who was extolling the virtues of this wondrous dish. She said: "Why, it's a complete meal in itself! You got your meat, your potatoes, and your dough!" :)

zook (in the same boat as Mike)
 
Mike - Lot's of good advice, here.

One thing I didn't see mentioned (or missed) is proper weight loss rate. Rule of thumb is no more than 1 pound per week. Shed too much, too fast, and you tend to put it right back on.

Do drink lots of water - for all of the reasons FUD mentioned.

Feast like a king at breakfast, a prince at lunch and a pauper at dinner (supper).

Walking is good, swimming is better. Personally, I walk and can cover 3 miles during a 30 minute lunch period.

The most important thing is to find a balance with whatever food choices / frequency you select. If you find yourself having constant cravings, you'll be unhappy with predictable results.

Best of luck and please let us know how it goes.

Cliff
 
My mom's had good luck with WW, but the key (as with everything) is sticking with it. It can be helpful to have a classroom of people all focused on the same goal and supporting each other. Best of luck.
 
Again, thanks for all of the suggestions, helpful hints, and support, guys.

I'm joining next Thursday (I know I should join sooner, but I have a reason for Thursday), and I'll let you all know how it goes.

If I'm really successful (not if, WHEN!) I'll post before and after photos of myself. Thank God I don't have anything of me in a swim suit. Those were all burned with the photos of the former wife. :)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zook:
For those who don't know, the PA German diet consists of 3 food groups. This was illustrated quite effectively a few years back when the local TV station covered a pot-pie festival (yes, you read that right). They were interviewing a woman who was extolling the virtues of this wondrous dish. She said: "Why, it's a complete meal in itself! You got your meat, your potatoes, and your dough!" :)

zook (in the same boat as Mike)
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No, no NO, Zook!

You reformed diet Germans are just the PITS!

A TRUE, Old Order PA German dietary food group chart consists of:

The Vinegar group -- both vinegar itself and things prepared IN vinegar

The Fried group -- Fried tomatos, fried squash, fried apple pies, fried dough, french fries (often eaten in combination with the vinegar group).

The Congealed group -- Some separate this group into two -- meat and lard. Old Order looks at them as one.

Finally, the last group -- the Heavily Sugared group. A fried apple pie just isn't any good unless it is also heavily sugared. :)

Being raised like this, no wonder my freaking gunbelt doesn't fit anymore!!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
Drink AT LEAST one ounce of ice water per pound of body weight.[/quote]

Uh, FUD?

Holy crap, dude, right now I weigh 280! I'd have to drink 17.5 POUNDS of water a DAY! That's over 2 GALLONS! :eek:

I'd have to move my office into the john!



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Mike - Here's what worked for me. I joined a health club and started pumping iron, treadmill and bicycle work three times a week at lunch time. After workout grabbed a bean burrito and ice tea on the way back to work.

But the main thing I think was cutting down on the volume of what I ate. I had tried several diets over the years some worked for awhile and some I couldn't stomach :) at all. So, I finally decided I wouldn't make any radical change in my diet. Instead of cleaning my plate or going back for seconds or more I would eliminate soft drinks(3-4/day) and just eat half of what I put on my plate or was served to me.

I basically ate the same stuff I'd always eaten and enjoyed but now I just eat 50%+ of it. It worked for me. Dropped 45# over about 14 months and didn't suffer after my first month of the "Westex Diet". I've stayed on the volume plan and dropped down to working out twice a week and have kept a steady weight for over 2 years.

Best of luck on whatever works for you.

RKBA!
 
Mike,

If your a veteran, contact the va and see if they will put you on their weight watchers styled program, it should cost you little if any. Ive looked over their material and it was predominantly designed for diabetics, since a disproportinate number of fat people are diabetic its a reasonably sound methodology.
Also if you just like bland (yeah right), you could try the pritikin diet....personally Ive not tried it. Those I know they did try it noticed positive differences in their workouts.
I try to stay as close to the va model as I can.....diabetes runs in both sides of the family, so anything I can do to hold off that disease is part of my program.
If you havent worked out in a while, dont go at it like gang busters, take it easy--try to sit in on a no impact aerobics type of class at a work out facility, I have picked up two pieces of used excercise equipment that give me versatility at home if my schedule dosent allow for the gym. I picked up a used nordic track skier and schwin air dyne for low dollars. Im really looking for another cable stack, but that can wait.
One item that might help you, while it is not crucial, it can fine tune your workouts and allow better feed back of your progress....that is a polar heart monitor---strap is worn around the chest and the information is accessible on the accompanying watch.
If you really want to drive the point home through reenforcement---keep a diary, not just a food intake diary, but an exercise diary. Memory's are not reliable for the most part.

Im kicking the idea arount to track every penny I spend for a month and see how much of every dollar goes for taxes.....Im sure it will be depressing.
.......good health to ya...fubsy.
 
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