Sorry Ms. Raich, the drug war is more important than your life

Since there is no legal use of the drug. They have misused it, therefore they have abused it.
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I know you were under pressure, but if that is the best lil' tidbit of faulty logic you can come up with to defend your position you might just want to admit defeat and live to fight another day. :p
 
People saying "tried it at least once" in a survey means everyone of those people are "abusing" marijuana???? Even if everyone of them was being honest that is like saying that 85%-95% of Americans are alcoholics because they have drank alcohol. The statistics I posted dealt specifically with "drug abusers" not just everyone that has every "used" a prescription drug.
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Once again, there is no legal use for marijuana. They wrongly used the the drug, which is abuse by definition.


That statement borders on dishonest and is definately into the absurd range. You are saying that nearly a 3rd of all Americans are abusing marijuana.
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No, I'm saying a 3rd of American have abused marijuana.

No, I am saying it is no worse than prescription drugs. I also saying that the reasons it is illegal are purely political and that it is a drug that is beneficial, inexpensive and readily available to even the poorest of ill people. Guess you missed the point.
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I haven't missed your point anymore than you have missed mine.
Which is, 1. If the federal govt. make it legal. It won't be legal to grow unless you're a drug manufacturer and have FDA oversight. 2. There are alternative drugs available that act quicker, last longer and so far don't show signs of long term health problems associated with smoking.
Not officially! But Pharmeceuticals are the single biggest industry on earth. If you think they're not there behind the scenes and have not influenced legislation then you're being obtuse.
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The same argument the Brady folks use against the gun industry. You're big and have a lot of influence so you must be evil.
 
I know you were under pressure, but if that is the best lil' tidbit of faulty logic you can come up with to defend your position you might just want to admit defeat and live to fight another day.
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No pressure, smoke your buddies mj get arrested. See if you don't receive at a minimum counselling for drug abuse in lew of jail. Happens here quite often to first time offenders.
I'll admit defeat when I'm defeated:D
 
1. If the federal govt. make it legal. It won't be legal to grow unless you're a drug manufacturer and have FDA oversight.
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Why? I can grow my own tobacco. Where do the feds get authority over that kind of thing anyway? The supposed effect of private possession on interstate commerce.

Do you agree with Justice Alito's reasoning in US v Rybar on that subject?

In other words, the majority argues in effect
that the private, purely intrastate possession of machine guns
has a substantial effect on the interstate machine gun market.

This theory, if accepted, would go far toward converting
Congress's authority to regulate interstate commerce into "a
plenary police power." Lopez, --- U.S. at ----, 115 S.Ct. at
1633. If there is any sort of interstate market for a
commodity--and I think that it is safe to assume that there is
some sort of interstate market for practically everything--then
the purely intrastate possession of that item will have an effect
on that market, and outlawing private possession of the item will
presumably have a substantial effect. Consequently, the
majority's theory leads to the conclusion that Congress may ban
the purely intrastate possession of just about anything.
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The FDA regulates the commercial production and sale of alcohol and tabacco. Not the possession or use. It is still legal to produce either for personal use.

In fact additional laws are required to enforce anything beyond production and sales. Such as "possession by a minor", "contributing to the delinquencies of a minor" and other laws.
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Lets not kid ourselves. Pot isn't lie alcohol in that you can have a glass of wine at dinner and drive home.

If pot was ever legalized, it would be done so to the same degree of codine and morphine and such. It would be medically available but not to the average person for recreational use.

Most people who advocate pot for medical uses are really just advocates for total legalization and they want to get there one step at a time.
 
I couldn't bear to read EVERY post, but...

To all the "right to self medicate" or "do whatever you want with drugs in your own home":

You go buy yourself an aircraft (bear with me, I know they're expensive). Have someone just getting high as a kite do extensive maintenance on it and you personally take off in it AS SOON as the aircraft is finished being airworthy. By the way, no parachutes, of course. You don't have them on an airline, so no safety nets or hypetheticals.

Call it what you will. Talk big all you want. But, you and I KNOW that no one has a hair on their a$$ to trust a mechanics' work being under the influence of drugs.
 
No, if you read the thread carefully, you would have discovered the example of legal (and government sponsored) use already provided.
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If you read carefully, the Federal Govt hasn't allowed it to be legal. Because CA says it's legal don't make it so.
There sure do seem to be a lot of people being busted for legal activity. Those pesky federal laws.
I love playing devils advocate.
 
tuttle>> That's flawed logic, too. I wouldn't trust a mechanic hitting a joint on the job any less or more than I would one hitting the whiskey bottle. But whiskey is perfectly legal--and not my problem or worry when the mechanic is on his own time, just the same as it wouldn't be my problem or worry if he lit a joint to unwind after work.
 
ME:
1. If the federal govt. make it legal. It won't be legal to grow unless you're a drug manufacturer and have FDA oversight.
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Pub:
Why? I can grow my own tobacco. Where do the feds get authority over that kind of thing anyway?
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Is your tobacco being marketed as medicine? Is tobacco in general a multi-billion dollar enterprise for organized crime?
For starters they get the authority from U.S. Code Title 21 chapter 13
 
Doesnt matter what the goverment does, Americans will still smoke weed.

Drugs taught an entire generation of American kids the metric system.:D



gs555
 
Doesnt matter what the goverment does, Americans will still smoke weed.

Drugs taught an entire generation of American kids the metric system.
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That is probably the most true and undeniable statement in the entire thread.:o
 
tuttle8

Plus, I didn't say after work. I said right before work in certain terms.

They would get in trouble just like they would if they got hammered before they came to work. I can't go to work drunk, why would I be able to go to work stoned. A Co-worker wasn't allowed to come to work when they where on Oxycontin for a workplace injury. (Couldn't take it within 6 hours of your start time or something like that. So they could use it after the shift.) Same for a manager who had her wisdom teeth pulled and was given narcotics for the pain. You are making an issue of a nonexistent problem.
 
You go buy yourself an aircraft (bear with me, I know they're expensive). Have someone just getting high as a kite do extensive maintenance on it and you personally take off in it AS SOON as the aircraft is finished being airworthy. By the way, no parachutes, of course. You don't have them on an airline, so no safety nets or hypetheticals.
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Wow, that has to win the "most irrelevent and illogical rant" award for this thread.
 
If you read carefully, the Federal Govt hasn't allowed it to be legal.
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So you're saying the federal government is illegally supplying cannabis to Irvin Rosenfeld, and that he has therefore been abusing it for these past couple of decades?

Is your tobacco being marketed as medicine?
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No, it's a product. But nicotine is an addictive drug that comes along for the ride.

Why can't marijuana joints be "a product," and THC be a drug that's along for the ride?
 
Is tobacco in general a multi-billion dollar enterprise for organized crime?
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No, but alcohol was before America decided that legal dealers and users were actually less trouble than illegal ones and repealed Prohibition.

We can have an illegal cannabis market, or a legal one, and I think a legal one is attended by fewer problems.
 
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