Sorry Ms. Raich, the drug war is more important than your life

Notice it doesn't say may cause or possibly cause. It says poses several health risks. But I guess they aren't as smart as the doctors who want to prescribe it either. They just do the research on it's uses and effects.
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You obviously have very little medical experience. That list of health risks is small and very insignificant. Just read the health risks on any medication and you will find much worse things. Also, if you look into the side effects of MM use you will find that there are very few real objective studies. The side effects listed are also common with using alcohol or smoking tobacco.

Here are a few of the risks listed on my blood pressure medication (an approved and considered to be safe medication)...
-irregular heart beat
-headaches
-dizziness
-abdominal pains
-increased risk of cardiac failure
-trouble breathing
etc.

Viagra lists...
-pulmonary embolism
-cardian arrest
-blood clots
-stroke
-headache
-priapism
-urinary tract infection
etc.



And as I said the medical community has always recognized the value of MM and only removed it under "political pressure" as the article clearly stated.
 
"risk of" and "potential for" means exactly that.

so that knocks off the bottom three. The two others pose secondary health risks.. i.e. you can come up with situations where memory loss or coordination can affect your health, but they aren't themselves necessarily adverse to your health. (not saying you should ignore them by any means)
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I could almost agree with you except........the way to eliminate the risk is to not smoke marijuana. The pill eliminates the risks associated with the bottom three, with the possible exception being withdrawal. I'm not sure if the medications are addictive.
 
I could almost agree with you except........the way to eliminate the risk is to not smoke marijuana. The pill eliminates the risks associated with the bottom three, with the possible exception being withdrawal. I'm not sure if the medications are addictive.
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Hahaha...have you read the possible side effects of one of the "safer" pills you mentioned?

The possible side effects of Dronabinol are listed as...
-difficulty breathing
-closing of the throat
-swelling of the lips, tongue, or face
-hives
-drowsiness or dizziness
-nausea or vomiting
-memory loss
-confusion, hallucinations, abnormal thinking, or intoxication
-headache
-anxiety or nervousness
-irregular or fast heartbeat
etc.

Sounds much safer to me. :rolleyes:
 
From personal experience Playboypenguin, I can say that the "Impairment of thinking, problem-solving skills and memory", Reduced balance and coordination", and "Heightened risk of chronic cough" side effects are true, though the "impaired thinking" one would be more accurately described as "slowed down thinking". You can still think clearly, just not very quickly. Though your short term memory IS impared for a bit, you are fully aware that you are impared and take efforts not to do anything that requires alot of quick thinking. (Unlike Alcohol)

The "Increased risk of heart attack" one I have no idea, and the "Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms", at least for me, was no worse than quiting caffeine. Never had any hallucinations as far as I can remember.
 
Honestly you guys. At the end of the day, Mary Jane makes you comfortable with being lazy. That's about it. It won't fund terrorism, it won't lead to harder drugs, you won't die, and you won't kill anyone.

As for my opinion, I don't like being lazy. So if you smoke pot, you'll end up on your mama's sofa in the basement, fat, smelly, watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and listening to Pink Floyd.
 
Apple... you speak of recreational MJ. . . and why it isn't necessarily good for career advancement.

There is still a good case to be made that in certain situations medical MJ has a place.
 
I would also ask that the expertise of one MD be considered for just what it is. One man's opinion. Medical marijuana has never been a studied and peer reviewed subject.
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So only one guy thinks it's a good idea, and it has never been studied?

Research Findings on Medicinal Properties of Marijuana

Regarding the science on medical marijuana in March 1999 the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine completed a review of the medical use of marijuana and related issues. The report, "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," was commissioned by the Office of National Drug Control Policy, after the people of California and Arizona voted for medical marijuana in 1996. The Institute of Medicine is the gold standard of American medicine. The IOM report recognized the therapeutic benefits of medical marijuana and urged that marijuana be made available to individual patients while research continued on the development of new drugs developed from marijuana.
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Actually, the "side effect" of impaired thinking is just what a terminal patient may want.

In part, that's how the narcotic analgesics work. It still hurts, but you don't care. Yet they're not on Schedule I, other than Heroin.

This is being made into a technical discussion. If you want to go there, consider this.

MDMA was presented to congress as being worthy of being classed as a Schedule III substance, backed by scientific studies. Congress decided that they were full of s**t and simply classed it as Schedule I.

It is now being studied for relief of PTSD, the granting of that study being a feat in itself.

Face it. MDMA and pot are Schedule I because they are considered too much fun.
 
The possible side effects of Dronabinol are listed as...
-difficulty breathing*
-closing of the throat*
-swelling of the lips*, tongue*, or face*
-hives*
-drowsiness or dizziness
-nausea or vomiting*
-memory loss
-confusion, hallucinations, abnormal thinking, or intoxication
-headache
-anxiety or nervousness
-irregular or fast heartbeat
etc.
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PP,
Once again you decide to distort the facts to read as you would like.
7 of your side effects are due to allergic reaction to THC the active ingredient in Durobol and marijuana. I marked them in your comment with an *


Here are the side effects for aspirin.
Closing of the throat
Swelling of the lips
swelling of the tongue
swelling of the face
Hives
black bloody tarry stools
nausea
vomiting
abdominal pain
uncontrolled fever
blood in the urine
blood in the vomit
decreased hearing
ringing of the ears
seizures
dizziness
confusion
hallucinations
heart burn
indigestion


Using your logic I would say Durobol is safer than aspirin and safer than MM since it has no long term health effects.
 
Using your logic I would say Durobol is safer than aspirin and safer than MM since it has no long term health effects.
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I'd say that's correct. The problems I have heard over and over with Marinol are that it costs quite a bit more than black market weed off the street, and it takes 30 minutes to be effective.

Handing a pill to a nauseated person and telling him, "Here, keep this down for half an hour, it'll help" just seems crazy to me. If he could keep anything down, he wouldn't want the pill.

On the other hand, it also seems crazy to me that a homegrown cannabis plant for personal medical use is interstate commerce, and that studying whether pot causes the munchies is taboo, and that the federal government simultaneously says that marijuana has no medical uses and supplies it to a few individuals for medical use, all the while funding a report which found medical uses.
 
Let's look at'em all.

The possible side effects of Dronabinol are listed as...
-difficulty breathing *
-closing of the throat *
-swelling of the lips, tongue, or face *
-hives *
-drowsiness or dizziness
-nausea or vomiting **
-memory loss
-confusion, hallucinations, abnormal thinking, or intoxication
-headache
-anxiety or nervousness
-irregular or fast heartbeat
etc
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And, for pot, not much more that that except the smoke.

Here are the side effects for aspirin.
Closing of the throat *
Swelling of the lips *
swelling of the tongue *
swelling of the face *
Hives *
black bloody tarry stools *
nausea *
vomiting *
abdominal pain *
uncontrolled fever *
blood in the urine *
blood in the vomit *
decreased hearing **
ringing of the ears **
seizures *
dizziness
confusion
hallucinations
heart burn *
indigestion *
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I have marked both lists differently. * denotes a life-threatening issue. ** denotes a possibly life-threatening issue.

Notice that I did not mark heart effects as either one. That is because there have been zero (0) deaths from pot smoking recorded.

Also notice that some of the same symptoms of Dronabinol are not marked, where the same symptoms of aspirin are. That is because these same symptoms are caused by disorientation (like sea sickness) with Dronabinol, not life threatening, but are caused by bleeding with aspirin. Internal bleeding is not a good thing.

Now, for Dronabinol, the * marked side effects are due to allergic reaction. You can have an allergic reaction to peanuts. All the rest are not the end of the world.

Aspirin, on the other hand, has side effects that are not due to allergic reactions but are due to platelet suppression which causes bleeding.

If you know how to read between the lines, aspirin is far more dangerous than either Dronabinol or pot.
 
PP,
Once again you decide to distort the facts to read as you would like.
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No Don,

That is not the case. The case here is you once again showing an ignorance of how clinical drug trials work. Any sysptoms that occur during testing (be they allergic reactions or sometimes even completely non-drug related) have to later be listed as "possible" side effects. If it happens in a large number (I think it is 15% or 20%) it has to be listed as a "common" side effect.

That is why aspirin has such a long list of "possible" side effects and the same goes for marijuana. it is not some vile and evil substance the rotts your brain and makes you a loser like people love to tell their kids. It was recognized as a valuable medical treatment until it was removed by the AMA because of "political pressure". Does political pressure sound like a good reason to remove a drug that has benefited thousands or even millions of ill people?

People can abuse it of course. But should we remove coedine, valium, morphine, viagra, oxy, etc from the market? They get abused all the time and their side effects are much worse than marijuana.

Why is it they are all still legal??? Could it be because drug corporations actually make alot of money off those ones?
 
I think I mentioned this earlier... But as Playboy brings up again, I can't even turn on the TV anymore without seeing an ad for some new "wonder drug"--most of which have common or possible side effects ranging from dizziness all the way to stroke, and organ failure. But those are all just fine to put on the market?? Not to make light of what medical pro's or con's MJ might have, how many millions of people have used it over the decades? I'm one of them--I freely admit I spent a good amount of time smoking it during high school--funny though, unlike cigarettes for me or other legal drugs for some people, I shrugged off MJ without a second though, desire, need, craving, etc. And as for the side effects most common? The craving for snackfood, the urge to watch a lot of re-runs on TV, and excessive use of the word Dude! Now there's a danger to society all right... The legality issue still comes right back to the all-mighty dollar. Anyone with half a brain could grow a year's supply for themselves. Therefore, the production of it can't be controlled, regulated, or taxed. The Gov't and larger private industries afen't going to get there cut, so nobody can have it regardless of the benefits, regardless of the dangers, regardless of how damaging or potentially harmful everything else might be that they DO have control over. No matter how you slice it, it still comes right back to money.
 
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I would suggest that this puts me head and shoulders above 99% of the posters here in experience, and knowledge (Maryland/DOT Paramedic). I have made no claim as to being an MD.
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the 1% (remaining after the 99% you referenced that you know more than), happen to be those who are

-Medical doctors
-who went to medical school
-did an intership
-did a residency
-passed their boards
-and are thus LICENSED by the state to dispense medical advice and prescribe medicine
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Gee, FF, it would appear that your nap last night at the Holiday Inn Express left you a little woozy, or were you implementing a study on Medical Marijuana by yourself? Please explain where that senseless quote came from? 1% of the posters in this thread are Medical Doctors? You certainly have a flair for interpretation of the written word. It's a shame that the flair only appears when you're modifying others words to either twist what they mean, or just to insult them.

You certainly trust some MDs more than others. That would be those who's words you can trust to support your theme. Those who oppose the use of Medical marijuana have taken the same tests as you require. They also appear to be in the majority, at least according to the AMA.

Nowhere in this discussion have I stated that my opinion of Medical Marijuana is that it's ineffective. I simply reported the results of multiple interviews. I never stated that I was an MD, nor did I say that I knew more than an MD. All of those false assertions were used by you in an attempt to reduce any impact I might have had with sentient posters. Your posts have grown shriller and more insulting as your failing logic has been questioned by others. You approve of it, but you acknowledge that you have less knowledge and expertise than others. All in all, typical of your other posts that require more than a skin-deep understanding of why things work.

FYI, clinical drug trials list undue responses to the drug just as you state. That list, however, is dependent on the numbers tested, which you didn't report. The list will also grow based on reported instances after the drug is marketed. Aspirin has been on the market for a century or more, and will statistically have more complications than anything that has been studied once or twice.

it is not some vile and evil substance the rotts your brain and makes you a loser like people love to tell their kids. It was recognized as a valuable medical treatment until it was removed by the AMA because of "political pressure". Does political pressure sound like a good reason to remove a drug that has benefited thousands or even millions of ill people?
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Could you deliver any proof about the AMA's direction? If not, please state it as opinion.

As for the drug companies, should MJ be legalized, you can expect them to have "Medical Grade" preparations on the market within weeks. The FDA would only allow tested preparations to be used medically. As was stated, different plants, soils, and weather yield different effects. Some would be more useful medically for specific relief than others. Think that the patients would actually want the variety that worked?

You really DON't know very much about this, do you?

Insults and manipulation of quotes aside, you haven't been able to add anything but noise to the thread for pages.:barf:
 
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No Don,

That is not the case. The case here is you once again showing an ignorance of how clinical drug trials work. Any sysptoms that occur during testing (be they allergic reactions or sometimes even completely non-drug related) have to later be listed as "possible" side effects. If it happens in a large number (I think it is 15% or 20%) it has to be listed as a "common" side effect.
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I've made no assertions that I am a medical expert, but I can read. I can also see, and what I have seen is marijuana abused far more than any other drug grown or manufactured.

That is why aspirin has such a long list of "possible" side effects and the same goes for marijuana. it is not some vile and evil substance the rotts your brain and makes you a loser like people love to tell their kids. It was recognized as a valuable medical treatment until it was removed by the AMA because of "political pressure". Does political pressure sound like a good reason to remove a drug that has benefited thousands or even millions of ill people?
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Is it your opinion that the AMA received "political pressure" or do you have facts? Since the AMA is not a government organization how could they receive political pressure?



People can abuse it of course. But should we remove coedine, valium, morphine, viagra, oxy, etc from the market? They get abused all the time and their side effects are much worse than marijuana.
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What are the percentages of MJ abusers vs the others you have listed? I don't have time right now to look it up, but will later. I'm sure I will find a much greater percentage of MJ abusers vs any of the other drugs you listed.

Why is it they are all still legal??? Could it be because drug corporations actually make alot of money off those ones?
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When all else fails throw in some conspiracy theory. That usually works for a little while. No one denies drug companies make big money from drugs. DUHHH they are businesses. They are in business to sell drugs. It wouldn't be much of a business if they gave their goods away.
 
what I have seen is marijuana abused far more than any other drug grown or manufactured.
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Really? I've seen much more alcohol abuse. Almost lost my alcoholic brother, have lost friends to drunk drivers, almost lost my mother to one. I've seen some cannabis abuse, but nothing which compares to the impact alcohol has had on my life. It's not even close.
 
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