Someone finally says it: “California has a negative influence on our society”

Well, if all you easterners and all the illegals would have stayed out of lovely California to begin with, with our crystal clear deserts, towering mountain peaks, blue sparkling oceans and God's green croplands, we'd have less liberals running the place and fewer stupid gun laws. That being said, with 40+ million people here, we're funding with our taxes much of roads and stuff in your little squalid states, and as Col. Jessup is apt to say "I prefer you all said thank you, and went on your way." :D
 
I was born and raised in Orange County California.

I remember walking out across the fields with a .22 handgun for plinking, NRA Hunter Safety at the OC Sheriff's range on the river (outdoors at that time), shooting a fine target rifle at an indoor range in the second floor of the old barracks that made up part of Orange Coast Community College campus and buying a Mossberg bolt action 12 GA with no NIC or wait period.

I remember shopping at the Santa Ana Gun Room, picking up milsurp .30'06 ammo for my brother's rechambered Argentine mauser (what a beast).

I also remember being annoyed with the influx of "outsiders" from "back East" and the beginning of the end of the orange grooves, pastures and farm land, the beginning of the end of many of the freedoms we had enjoyed in the rural environment.

I remember my brother and I as teen agers proposing a 10 lane freeway in one of two directions--either back East or into the ocean.

Basically the influx of population was our problem as it is for other states now as the descendants of the "invaders" continue on to greener pastures now that this one has been thoroughly tromped on.

Of course we are all immigrants or descendants of immigrants--our family coming from Roseburg, Oregon and McAllister (Pittsburg), Oklahoma.
 
I remember walking out across the fields with a .22 handgun for plinking,
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Sad isn't it Guy.
I remember the fields going to my uncles in Costa Mesa in the very early 60's no freeways all the way from East of Redlands. The huge hangers for the blimps on the way.
Calif was a nice place when My Mom went there in the 20's. It was still nice where I lived in the 60's away from the major cities. Shooting 22's in the orange groves or foothills. I remember as a child driving home down HWY 38 and we counted over 50 deer in one evening, by the time I left it was rare to see one. It hurts a little when I think of how much I liked and enjoyed the place growing up. Still has wonderful places but I just couldn't take it anymore sad sad.
 
Man oh man, I remember when it was free, the shootouts in the streets, dancin girls on the balcony or inside, panning for gold, stagecoach, great memories. Gosh I remember when Disney opened those were the days huh? Can we say E-ticket ride? Watching guys shoot off the end of Newport pier when we were fishing, and the cops didn't show up.
I better stop..
 
The huge hangers for the blimps on the way.
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I worked in Hanger One for a couple of years. I love seeing the hangers on TV so much now, since the base is long gone.

Knott"s is now about as expensive as D-land.
 
Y'know, I was born in California, So was my Dad, so was my Grandfather. I remember in the forties the Okies were coming out here in droves. The immigration to Ca. was over 130,000 families a year. The entire mid west headed for Ca. After about ten years of this migration the state started to decline. My Dad and I used to hunt in the Sierras. We would drive up highway 395 to deadman's pass and then pack in to the West Walker river and find virgin timber to hunt and fish. Trout streams, cougars, all sort of wildlife. The highway was two lanes of dirt road From San Berdoo north. We packed in on horseback for 2 days from the road. Now there is a hotel where we used to hunt, and 250,000 Los Angelenos there every weekend for the skiing. It's called Mammoth Ski Resort now.

People in other states are complaining about Californians moving there. I wish all of the mid westerners had stayed home when I was young. They stole my state, filled it with concrete, passed stupid laws and voted in their liberal legislators and ruined the place that was so great that they all had to move there. My family came to California in 1846. Founded towns, fought the revolution, and founded the state of California. Now it is all ruined, a cesspool, with unbreathable air. There is no hunting or fishing left and the liberals are taking our rights away. If you think California has a negative influence on our society it is caused by the ones who migrated here in the forties, fifties, and sixties. So Shove it!
 
Oh there are plenty of good places left in California (but I'm not telling--the BGs are finding them soon enough) and some of the immigrants from the midwest and east coast have proven civilized enough.

But when too many people start crowding too close together, their minds frequently go into strange patterns. And, of course, the most disturbed affect everyone else. Ever watch what happens when an excited dog joins up with a group of lay back canines? Spreads like wildfire and they all go ballistic. In some instances people are very much pack animals--gangs, tribes, etc.

Then people tire of that and find another place and repeat the cycle, sometimes being part of the original problem without understanding that their own attitude is 90% of the problem (as I often tell my wife when she gets uppity :rolleyes: ).

Now if they'd just keep their paranoia to themselves in their own caves the rest of us could get along just fine. Probably over a cup of hot chocolate at the range.
 
I watched the roof tops sprout up all over So. Cal as a kid and how it changed almost everything. I see the same thing happening here in Southern Idaho now. It is on a smaller scale but the end result will be the same is what scares me. I am in a small town away from the worst of it but it;s coming fast.
I moved from there back to where I was born so where do I go next time? At my age there are only so may years left, but then my Dad is 25 years my senior and still going strong. Not to change the subject but gosh were do all these folks come from? Can immigration as we know it continue forever? I fear I know the answers to my own question.

MacGille,
I remember Mom telling me about crossing the Colorado at Blyth on a ferry as there was no bridges in those days. Floated from Blyth to Yuma in the 70's it was a blast, Just happen to remember that trip.
 
The only thing I see that is of any value in California is the wine country. And I'm sure that there are a lot of good people their. But then there's the weirdos and all the antis who want to live a certain way and think that they know whats best for all the rest of us.
 
The only thing I see that is of any value in California is the wine country
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How's about the Red woods, Yosemite, Mt. Whitney, the Serra's, San Fran. Bay. much of the coast where man hasn't developed it, Salton Sea, Death Valley. Thats not counting anything man has done like the wine country or the central valley or cochelah (sp) valley. ports, etc etc. Plenty more I left out too.

It is the vast population, pollution and the restrictive laws I don't care for.
 
How's about the Red woods, Yosemite, Mt. Whitney, the Serra's, San Fran. Bay. much of the coast where man hasn't developed it, Salton Sea, Death Valley. Thats not counting anything man has done like the wine country or the central valley or cochelah (sp) valley. ports, etc etc. Plenty more I left out too.
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Amen. Heck, even the cities aren't all bad. San Francisco and San Diego are probably two of the nicer cities in the US to live in in many (but obviously not all) ways from what I've seen of them.
 
Damn, you guys are starting to make me cry.
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Hell., you guys are making me cry

Everythibg you describe is happening here and it also started with Disney and gaine momentum after the freezes.

Maybe twenty years from now I'll be bashing my state as badly as I do your's, especially if the Miami mentality moves north
 
I've heard this syndrome described as follows: The Californication of, fill in the blank, or simply as an example of Californication.

Notwithstanding this, the following question remains. What is wrong with the elected things in other states, not to mention the citizenry thereof?
 
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