Slide Jammed Bad on 1911

Not sure how reloads came onto topic.
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`Not sure either DoubleTapp... but why let facts stand in the way of a good furball !!!??? ;) :eek: :D :D

When all the dust has settled here, it does sound like ss-galling may be the culprit.
Please let us know when you find out so we can learn from the problem. :)
 
I am also interested in finding out what happened. Unfortunately the thread was derailed a bit when the OP stated that pictures would not have helped the thread. This sort of pushed him into the I don't want to learn, help, teach and inform I just want to complain about my defective pistol. Which is fine but that comes with its own thread tangents. People who were looking to help him understand what happened were rightfully a bit out off by his comments. I also think he was premature in declaring what he will demand fro DW before he knows what happened to the gun. Ymmv

If the gun is defective I have no doubt that DW will work to get it fixed and make the OP happy. Keith of DW is apparently aware of the issue and has a good rep for taking care of the customer.
 
Stay with us and let us know when you get it back.
They will probably not tell you what was wrong or what they really did to fix it.
You may expect a work order to the effect of "Freed slide, refined fit." Huh?
 
WVSig, I wasn't trying to be an ass when I said pictures wouldn't help. I honestly just thought that was the truth. It literally just looked like a 1911 with the slide 3/4 of the way locked back. I could not see any marks or anything inside the gun. I'm not sure what exactly people were asking for pictures of. As As far as DW goes, keith is aware of the problem. He said galling happens from time to time and he will take care of it. It has been almost 1 week since the gun shipped to them. I will let everyone know if there are any comments about what they did to fix it when I receive the gun back.
 
I agree with the OP - photos often don't give any additional information and may not have "helped" with this problem.

In fact, if the frame / slide are galled, you could take the gun apart and photographed the rails and probably would not have seen the problem.

Galled areas often do not clearly show up as they are so small - yet, they will stop the gun from cycling. I have had two guns with galled slides / frames and you could not see the problem without a 10x magnifier.

The Internet penchant of "show us pictures so we can see the problem" is more akin to voyeurism as there is more to speculate and discuss with pictures. More speculation doesn't equate to "help."

If the OP feel pictures won't help - that's his choice and judgment as he has the pistol in hand and can see in 3D if anything can be shown with a picture. This has nothing to do with "not wanting to help or learn."
 
Doubletapp said:
WVSig, I wasn't trying to be an ass when I said pictures wouldn't help. I honestly just thought that was the truth. It literally just looked like a 1911 with the slide 3/4 of the way locked back. I could not see any marks or anything inside the gun. I'm not sure what exactly people were asking for pictures of. As As far as DW goes, keith is aware of the problem. He said galling happens from time to time and he will take care of it. It has been almost 1 week since the gun shipped to them. I will let everyone know if there are any comments about what they did to fix it when I receive the gun back.
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I was not saying you were being rude or problematic. I was just illustrating where the thread went a little sideways on you. ;)

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I agree with the OP - photos often don't give any additional information and may not have "helped" with this problem.

In fact, if the frame / slide are galled, you could take the gun apart and photographed the rails and probably would not have seen the problem.

Galled areas often do not clearly show up as they are so small - yet, they will stop the gun from cycling. I have had two guns with galled slides / frames and you could not see the problem without a 10x magnifier.

The Internet penchant of "show us pictures so we can see the problem" is more akin to voyeurism as there is more to speculate and discuss with pictures. More speculation doesn't equate to "help."
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Could not disagree with you more. Pictures could have helped remove a ton of the speculation. In this instance pics IMHO would have lead more people to believe that the gun had suffered galling vs an improperly installed slide stop etc...

As tipoc pointed out the more info we can get the more we can help and learn from what happened. If OPs do not provide as much info as possible then the thread is reduced to voyeurism, this is not because of pics. 99% of the time it is due to a lack of information not too much info.
 
Galling is a huge problem with clean 300 series SS. I think that slides and frames are made from 400 series SS and it would be less likely to gall. Although it can happen with any material even steel and aluminum. The fact that the slide was lubed makes it less likely that this could happen. I own a SS Kimber and Im very curious to hear what the determination from DW is.
 
"Galling" is a problem that can only be remedied by a different combination of metal types. Personally, if galling due to metal incompatibility is really the culprit here, I don't think there's a solution worth exploring. Dumping gobs of lubricant on moving parts to keep them moving is nothing more than applying a bandage on cancer. My guess is that "galling" is really not the issue here, only because I have to think that any reputable manufacturer would have addressed this possible metal incompatibility anomaly from the outset. Or so I would hope-and expect.
 
My guess is that "galling" is really not the issue here, only because I have to think that any reputable manufacturer would have addressed this possible metal incompatibility anomaly from the outset.
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I have to agree with you. This is not a new issue with stainless steel.

If the slide and frame are galling, I would think someone gundecked a heat treatment report that should have rejected some parts. It does not always take a lot of force to literally weld two incompatible pieces of metal together.

In point of fact, we had some flight safety bolts and nuts for a helicopter rotor assembly that were improperly heat treated. The nut spun on the bolt by hand with little resistance and had to be sectioned to get it apart. The nut and bolt were literally fused together and they were only finger tight to assemble and completely destroyed to get them apart.
 
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Say,hypothethically there was a squib and the barrel was then bulged and the
slide froze as it retracted.Would that be a likely cause?
 
Nephew's stainless 1911A1 locked up tight. Assume from no lube cause there was no lube. Sandwiched frame between two 2x4s and used a rubber mallet to beat the slide off. Picked the slide metal out of the frame rails with an ice pick and single edge razor blade. All was well.
 
Could not disagree with you more. Pictures could have helped remove a ton of the speculation. In this instance pics IMHO would have lead more people to believe that the gun had suffered galling vs an improperly installed slide stop etc...
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Exactly HOW would you determine either of these hypothetical problems from a photograph showing a slide partially open /closed?

It's a mechanical problem, not a blemish that's a surface fault that can be easily seen in a photograph. This is like claiming you can diagnose a damaged bearing in an automobile engine through a photo of the motor.

If the slide stop was inserted in front of the link - you could not have seen this with a photograph as the link is inside the slide and slide stop is fully inserted into the pistol.

Galling? You're going to see galling on the slide through a photograph of a pistol with the slide stuck partially open? HOW? You can't see the rails.

All photos do is feed more speculation as people imagine they're seeing things in a case like this.
 
I got a call yesterday afternoon that the gun has arrived at my local dealer. I am going to pick it up sometime today and will update as soon as it's in my hands, and inspected. I'm hoping that DW includes some sort of sheet telling the customer what had happened and what work was done to fix the issue.
 
I picked up the 1911 today. There is a very small idiot scratch on the frame. The fit is still very tight. The slide is smooth. I haven't had a chance to fire it yet. The paperwork that I got back from Dan Wesson said "galling, hand lapped slide. Front sight dead. Replaced front sight and ejector. " does anyone know why they might have had to replace the ejector?
 
Depending on how/where it was jammed, it is possible the ejector itself was damaged, nicked, or just in the general vicinity of the thing so one might as well replace it. It's not that expensive a part, so if there's any question about it I can see them deciding "Yeah, we're replacing that too."
 
I picked up the 1911 today. There is a very small idiot scratch on the frame. The fit is still very tight. The slide is smooth. I haven't had a chance to fire it yet. The paperwork that I got back from Dan Wesson said "galling, hand lapped slide. Front sight dead. Replaced front sight and ejector. " does anyone know why they might have had to replace the ejector?
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Let us know how it shoots but it sounds like it is corrected!
 
I have had 3 Kimbers that did the same thing. I called, Kimber AND They Told Me It Takes 600 To 1000 Rounds For It Be Broken in[emoji1]
 
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