Sig P365: Glock 43 Killer?

I don't really see the rail as a problem. If you want to use it without a light or laser then don't add one. It doesn't seem to add bulk to the pistol itself. SIG seems to be marketing this as a pistol that could be pushed into a number of roles.
 
I don't really see the rail as a problem.
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I don't see its existence as an issue. I see its use as dictating the role of the pistol to something it no longer excels at by specification.

To me the big pull of this pistol is a 10 shot "pocketable" 9MM. Having not held one I am going to assume the dimensional differences between other "pocketable" pistols is not going to matter though I should not we are already pushing what I consider to be pocketable. Once you move this to the role of the belt gun the allure falls away pretty quickly.

Would I not buy it because of the rail? No - as you not it really doesn't matter that it is there. If I was in a position of buying a new pocket pistol this would be a serious consideration and the capacity would be its best assert. The rail would not even be considered as a pro or con.

I kind of look at this a lot like the CZ Raami. An interesting concept attempting to fill multiple roles. I'm not sure it was ever really successful.
 
True. There is the danger of being jack of all trades and master of none. However I have noticed that there is a moderately sized segment of gun owners that really do just own one pistol or go into it wanting to own only one pistol. I think this with its capacity is meant in part to appeal to those people.


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I don't know if it will fill the bill of an all purpose pistol, but I had been thinking that for my limited purposes I need at least three; a compact size for the range, home defense, and occasional carry here in warm weather Southern California. Then a edc such as a Shield or a Glock 23, and something like a Ruger LCP for pocket carry. Now I am thinking that I may be able to cover all bases with the now being released Sig P365 and a P229. Both are in 9 mm.
 
I don’t know anything about killing things. Can you even kill a Glock, is that even possible? Anyway, I don’t usually get too excited about new carry guns, but this one sparks my interest, only because of the capacity compared to other guns of the same size. I think it could be a home run. I’ll probably get one later once it’s been out and vetted a bit.
 
Most everything is a G43 killer. My Glock 43 is nothing but a safe queen. Will probably sell it off since the Kahr Arms PM9 is my preferred small, slim pocket pistol. The Glock 26 is my preferred sub compact pistol. I will try a P365 out to see how it compares to my G26 but I do not see it beating my PM9. As for the G26... it is so assimilated into the G17, 19 and 34 family and I own samples of each I do not see the 365 coming close to unseating my G26 from her position of honor.

Then again I have fallen hard for my 9mm P320 RX so I will keep an open mind.
 
However I have noticed that there is a moderately sized segment of gun owners that really do just own one pistol or go into it wanting to own only one pistol.
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I think you are right that there is some segment with that idea but its a pretty hard segment to market to. Kind of hard to get repeat buyers :)
 
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Add to the cost of a Shield the cost of a better trigger and night sights and then consider your personal needs. If you want to pocket carry, and I don't know that either the Shield or the P365 is optimal for pocket carry, the reduced size with added capacity of the P365 may be worth a couple hundred to you. That and I want to get reports on shootability from some besides the professionals, but it sounds like the Sig is a far better shooter for most.

I don't know if I would want to shoot it out of such a small gun as either the 365 or the Shield, but is the Shield rated for +P?
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I don't get this trigger replacement thing as being a requirement for the shield. Perhaps I got really lucky but my 1.0 shield trigger (manuf may 2017) is fantastic and apparently the 2.0 triggers are also very good. I let someone at the range fire my unmodified shield and he preferred the trigger to his walther pps le model. I use a different pistol for home defense.

In time we'll see if the SIG is really worth it, but I'm not currently seeing any reason normal people at the moment should choose the sig over the shield.
 
Hi all,
Here is my thought on the Shield vs P365...
When I go to the range and put 300 rounds through my Shield (1.0) it can get a bit biting in my hand.
My Sig Sauer P320 Compact RX (small grip module) on the other hand after 300 rounds still feels really good in my hand.
I could shoot another 300 rounds!

SO in Summary....
If the wider and different grip of the P365 fits better in my hand, is as accurate as they say and is more comfortable than my Shield after a few hundred rounds...
Then it is a no brainier!
If it is not, then gun for gun I'll keep my Shield!
For me it really comes down to which one do I like to shoot the most and feels the best.
After that I do not care about the price..For the long run I would spend the extra money.

I compare it to my Extended Cab truck.
When I was looking at new truck I liked 2 trucks..One was regular cab and the other was the bigger extended Cab..
I called my Dad and asked him what he thought and he said, "Forget about paying the extra money for the extended cab, you will never notice it after the sale but you will enjoy the "Extended Cab" for the life of the truck!"
I hung up and told the salesman, "I'll take the Extended Cab Truck!"
Boy was my Dad right!
I have always remembered that lesson...It's not ALWAYS about the $$$$..
If it is you may make bad decisions and be very unhappy!

That's how I look at the P365 or any gun that I will own...
IF it is a better all around fit and gun experience, accuracy etc. and It can make me a better shooter (which could save my life) if for no other reason than because I like shooting it
Then the price is not a deal killer.
That does not mean that I would not look for the BBD!

Mackie244 / Bud
 
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I'm not currently seeing any reason normal people at the moment should choose the sig over the shield.
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"Normal people" don't want to carry more rounds?They want to pay to add better sights? They really don't want something that is more comfortable to shoot? Even if the Shield's trigger is good enough, do "normal people" dislike having a better trigger?
 
If a "normal" person with no gun experience buys one gun (Shield) for EDC and HD, then the Shield's trigger is fine. They have nothing else to compare it to.

Most people in the US who Do Not own guns have heard of S&W. The same thing can't be said for Sig.

And most people without gun experience have no idea that gun people regularly change triggers.
 
I feel like SIG Sauer has pretty good brand recognition.
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Among gun owners perhaps. But remember this Sig is attempting to position itself as the "you only need to own one gun" type gun for a lot of people.

I'm not sure that the brand recognition holds outside of gun owners. The price difference is not minimal either. I mean we are in the "buy a Shield for the pocket and an M+P for the belt" price territory so far.
 
In terms of price this is not going to compete with the Shield. I still believe SIG has brand recognition on the order of Smith and Wesson, but I imagine that will also vary by where in the country you are so it's hard for me to speak to all places. Of all the brands I hear people mention when looking for their first handgun usually Glock comes up more than either.
 
But remember this Sig is attempting to position itself as the "you only need to own one gun" type gun for a lot of people.
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Where do you see any evidence for that? Virtually, everything from sigs marketing and advertising on this is about carry. That this is also an excellent home defense gun for a part of the much broader home defense market is just a plus. Same as the shield. 365 does highlight g43 weakness in the latter when it comes to capacity.

I don't see its [the rail] existence as an issue. I see its use as dictating the role of the pistol to something it no longer excels at by specification.
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That is at ed herring argument. I have guns with rails and no lights on them and one with a light. What am I doing wrong not paying attention to the "dictat" of the maker than I must put one on all of them??

As far as saying the role is being dictated, or the gun is being marketed as a jack of all trades, that is kind of a strawman. It isn't. It is clearly being marketed as a carry gun,

Look here: https://www.sigsauer.com/products/firearms/pistols/p365/
in that video there is no one drawing that pistol out of a safe at night. The various texts including their basic descriptions is: "carry pistol"

Bring More. Everyday.
Introducing the game changing P365 High-Capacity Micro-Compact. The revolutionary new concealed carry pistol that gives you more capacity, more concealability and more capability. It’s the one gun you can carry every day of the year.
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the fact that it does better at carry for a lot of people than the g43 or shield but is is also appropriate for a certain segment of the market for home defense in a way the shield is perceived and captures a good portion of ancillary sales, but the g43 does not, does not diminish p365 carry role.
 
You didn’t counter my argument about the use of the rail. Very early in this conversation I noted IF this is a pocketable 9MM with a ten round capacity it has done something the G43, Shiekd, etc failed to do and that is give that capacity with a pocketable 9MM. I expressed that designing around the magazine was a good effort.

IF it is a 10 shot pocketable 9MM it has a distinction in that category. If it is a belt gun or a nightstand gun there are superior options.

If it is a jack of all trades I simply don’t see it working out. Could be wrong.

Still the use of the rail, if used, would clearly move it out of the pocket category it MAY excel at
 
Seeing as the rail doesn’t add to the bulk and they don’t seem to be selling the pistol with lasers or lights permanently affixed, I really don’t see the issue here. If you don’t want to use it as a jack of all trades and would rather just use it as a pocket pistol that option remains. I would agree there are better all around options IMO. But having an option that doesn’t affect the pocket carry feature isn’t a detriment.


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