Sig P365: Glock 43 Killer?

I think it is compelling. The excitement is in the capacity/size by a top manufacture at a price that is 40% more than shield, but only 12-15% more than G43.

If one looks at S&W shield forums, and g43 forums, there is a lot of talk about trying to get mag extensions, and beyond +1 the problem of those extensions working with target FMJ but having less reliability with self defense rounds. Many people who test out their extensions with Holow Points go back to oem mag only.

I see pre orders from large authorized sig retailers are 500 to 530 with night sites and two mags, so it will bang up shield a bit but the real impact will be G43, if not in decreased sales, some good downward pressure on its street price.

As far as the CAD silhouette drawing, if you visualize it with the flush baseplate, it is smaller in almost every way. lighter than the average too. Also if you line up the upper rear of the grip below the rail the trigger reach is slightly less than the average on those single stacks. And if you look at the way the trigger guard meets the grip it looks like the strong hand can be held a bit higher.

Right now, on paper, this has all of the size benefits of a single 9 and almost all of the benefits of a double stack subcompact 9.

In terms of rail -- that sure looks proprietary. personally I don't care about a rail on a micro compact If I am not wrong there is no rail on G43, shield, P938 anyway, but there is one on xds.

I think this gun will almost certainly hit an amazing sweetspot in the carry market. At 10/12 rounds it also will also pick up some one-gun owners as well, eg female single gun market that shield has a good hold on.

I'm especially curious when this will hit Mass roster, as my jurisdiction uses that roster but not the additional Attorney General constraints (trigger weight, etc). My best guess looking at history, is Mass roster in a two months or so, Maryland roster in six months or so, and California Roster never.
 
How thick is the grips?
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specs say entire gun is no more than 1" wide. But while I have seen videos of buyer's handling it, no one has the calipers or lyman on it so far.

p365: L 5.8, H 4.3, W 1, 18 oz., 10+1/12+1
G43: L 6.26, H 4.25, W 1, 16.1 oz, 6+1
Shield: L 6.1; H 4.6, W 1, 20 oz, 7/8+1
p938 L 5.9, H 3.9, W 1.1, 16 oz, 6/7+1
p320 sc: L 6.7, H 4.7, W 1.1, 25 oz, 10/12/more +1


Of course those measures do not tell everything but they give a fair starting point
 
Theohazard said:
Seriously? “BRING MORE. EVERYDAY.”? Come on, you think a company like SIG would employ a marketer who took a basic English class in high school and knows the difference between the adjective “everyday” (meaning “commonplace” or “normal”) and the two-word phrase “every day” (interchangeable with “each day”).
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Same goes for “anytime” and “any time.” Don’t even get me going ...
 
Looks interesting but with SIGs track record of recent new designs I would not even consider one for at least a year.

Supposedly a double stack magazine but thin near the top of the magazine to keep the important part of the pistol thin for CCW purposes.
 
Seriously? “BRING MORE. EVERYDAY.”? Come on, you think a company like SIG would employ a marketer who took a basic English class in high school and knows the difference between the adjective “everyday” (meaning “commonplace” or “normal”) and the two-word phrase “every day” (interchangeable with “each day”).
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Given the context in the paragraph below the aforementioned phrase, it is very possible that the marketing consultant meant it to mean exactly what the adjective means. The text implies that is going to be a game changer...as in it will be "commonplace" for people to be carrying it...and bringing more firepower,concealability and capability.


BRING MORE, EVERYDAY.
Introducing the game changing P365 High-Capacity Micro-Compact. The revolutionary new concealed carry pistol that gives you more capacity, more concealability and more capability. It’s the one gun you can carry every day of the year.
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shootniron said:
Given the context in the paragraph below the aforementioned phrase, it is very possible that the marketing consultant meant it to mean exactly what the adjective means. The text implies that is going to be a game changer...as in it will be "commonplace" for people to be carrying it...and bringing more firepower,concealability and capability.
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Maybe. But it seems to me that the period was the currently popular way of adding emphasis. So removing the period, which phrase makes more sense, “bring more each day”, or “bring more commonplace”? Even if the periods were actually meant to be used in the traditional sense, “Bring more. Each day.” makes a lot more sense than, “Bring more. Commonplace.”

Either way, my posts here have been off-topic so I’ll try to get them back on subject. I’m going to be interested to see this pistol in person when my shop gets some in. I’ve learned that with a gun like this, numbers on paper and pictures don’t really help much in determining size, you really have to hold it and compare it to other guns in person. For example, the Glock 42 and 43 seem just a little different-sized on paper, but in reality there’s a very noticeable size and weight difference, especially when loaded.
 
Eh, too big for pocket carry (much like the Glock 43, LC9 etc) and my Glock 26 handles the small belt gun duty on the rare occasions I need deep concealment.

Don't need nothin smaller that won't fit in a pocket.

Solid pass for me.
 
I am intrigued by the 365. It appeals to me as an alternative to the Glock 26 simply because it is slimmer. I have a Taurus PT111, and I love the dimensions. However, I am always worried about the manufacturer's past reliability issues. I switched back to carrying the 26 simply because I trust the Glock to always perform. I am more than willing to give the Sig a try, and it may be just the EDC pistol that I have been looking for.
 
Idk that it is. It looks like a USP universal rail but when you go to the product page and click on Specs under Accessory Rail it lists "N/A".
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Thefirearmblog.com (not really the best source for accurate news) reports this is a "slim rail for soon to be released lights and lasers".

So it is a proprietary rail. Ugh.

I'm assuming there will still be some sort of (hopefully not bulky) adapter that would allow attachment of existing accessories. Though, honestly, the role of this pistol doesn't really require accessories anyway (the Shield and Glock 43 have no accessory rails at all).
 
So it is a proprietary rail. Ugh.

I'm assuming there will still be some sort of (hopefully not bulky) adapter that would allow attachment of existing accessories. Though, honestly, the role of this pistol doesn't really require accessories anyway (the Shield and Glock 43 have no accessory rails at all).
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I've handled and dry fired one at Heritage Guild in Pa which is a sig elite dealer and which had several. (FYI the street price on pre oreders is $499 to $529).

This is a very sleek smooth gun and I think Sig decided on a good compromise, by having the rail also be sleek and avoiding sharp deep lines that are perpendicular to a holster draw. Sig's design is just groves along the main axis of the gun. It looks like this will make it easer and more secure for Sig and third parties to design a specialized light and/or laser that will be more secure than attachments on other guns, but way less obtrusive than actual standard rails. You are right to point out that, of the top micro compact single stacks the vast majority of top sellers don't have any rail.
 
Caveat: of all the Glocks out there most easily "killed" the G43 is probably it.

Every time I see a thread about a new "Glock killer" I kind of roll my eyes a little and look at specs of a firearm that, like many before it, is much more like a Glock than different and fails to differentiate itself from all the Glocks already out there and all the "Glock killers" that have come before.

I really was going to mention that here. But the size comparisons that I am seeing, coupled with the capacity, seem to indicate Sig might actually have done something different here. If you can actually gain 4 rounds in capacity with a dimensionally and functionally similar product you might have actually gained something meaningful enough to care.

Am I running out and buying it? Nope. As others have noted its suspect if its really pocket sized and the difference between this and guns I already own once it has to be carried on a belt is not enough to persuade me to run out and buy it. Still at least its something actually meaningful in the "new" offering at least when compared to what Glock is offering.
 
My EDC rotation includes a 9mm Shield, a .45 acp Shield, a 9mm XD Mod 2 subcompact, and a .45 acp XD Mod 2 subcompact. I won't be running out to purchase this new Sig as I think I have the smaller and slightly bigger EDC areas covered for a long time.

Looks like a nice gun though.

Joe
 
I do like the weight, design, dimensions, and capacity. I'd have to test the trigger first and foremost. I am not liking the msrp and preorder prices online($550ish yikes). With lots of compact poly competitors on the market, I think Sig is a bit late and overpriced with this latest entry.
 
Every time I see a thread about a new "Glock killer" I kind of roll my eyes a little and look at specs of a firearm that, like many before it, is much more like a Glock than different and fails to differentiate itself from all the Glocks already out there and all the "Glock killers" that have come before.
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Agree completely. Furthermore, without a straight up revolution in design technology we will not see something other than tweaking of sizes, safeties, action, grip angles, etc. None of those tweaks are going to kill Glock so long as they sell to LEO agencies pretty much near cost.
 
Every time I see a thread about a new "Glock killer" I kind of roll my eyes a little and look at specs of a firearm that, like many before it, is much more like a Glock than different and fails to differentiate itself from all the Glocks already out there and all the "Glock killers" that have come before.
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Agreed. There are plenty of pistols that are objectively better than Glocks.

But the improvements are incremental, and until these designs achieve the market saturation, parts/accessory availability, and general gun-buying public awareness of Glock, none of them will be "Glock Killers."
 
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