Should I buy the 9mm or .40?

Well, I am late to this argument. As an LEO I carried a .45 in a 1911, before the infamous FBI shootout in Miami. And, I carried a .45 in a 1911 long after, also long after they went through the recriminations and convulsions about caliber and platform. They originally adopted the 10mm because of round count and POWER. Then they downsized the frame to accommodate small hands. So, the .40 S&W was a compromise choice DICTATED by ergonomics of the entire range of agents' sizes. Everyone agreed, then, that it was better than a nine and was almost a .45. You know enough of the story.

Today, the nine is being chosen because it is almost ("basically", etc.) the same lethality as the .40 or .45. They are choosing to emphasize round count. This is not science, but opinion based on science. The report, when read, does not say the nine is as good as a .40 or .45. It says that given the lack of accurate hits in real application (around 20%) round count is more important than lethality.

On the street my needed round count was never more than two. No multiple assailants and a long history of IPSC competition and practice left me capable of effective use of a defensive handgun.

I can make a heck of an argument that a .22LR is capable of taking a whitetail deer, so a 20-30 round magazine and "spray and pray" tactics justifies its use. Get my point?

If S&W made the Shield in .45, my choice of a carry pistol would be a .45 Shield. They don't, so since my compromise priority is, size and weight (the Shield as a platform), i want the .40 because it is the biggest projectile I can launch in a Shield.

And, if it was a decision about a full sized carry platform, for me it would be a .45 and a 1911 because after 40+ years it has worked well. BTW, gains in ammunition (bullet) perfection have made .45 projectiles better, just like .355 bullets are also better. Not bigger... a nine or a .40 might expand, but a .45 won't shrink, and bigger is better at handgun velocities, especially with great bullets... I like Barnes solid copper X bullets.
 
I carry a .45 ACP but also own the .40. I've owned several 9mm but currently do not own one. All are excellent calibers for self defense. That said though I think my next purchase will be a .357 Sig which is like a 9mm magnum...sort of.
 
I always assumed the .40 would be a better situation solver, but after Ferguson where the officer fired 12 rounds of hollow points with 6 hits, 5 of which did not stop the subject, I'm thinking capacity. The officer had one round remaining.

I shoot both. The 9mm will give you a bigger capacity for the same size and weight over the .40. All my newer carry guns have been 9mm.
 
JD0x0 said:
Proof? And showing a .40 load with higher muzzle energy than a 9x19 doesnt qualify as 'proof.'

How does one quantify more powerful? The .40 is larger in diameter, it shoots heavier bullets and it generates more "energy" and that's all the proof needed. I didn't say the 9mm won't work, or is a bad choice because it's a good cartridge, but I still say the .40 is more powerful than the 9mm.

Is the .40 more powerful than the .45 ACP? Well the .45 shoots bigger and heavier bullets yes, but doesn't generate as much "energy" either because it shoots those bigger bullets rather slow. I'm not saying the .40 is more powerful than the .45 but I'm not saying the .45 is more powerful than the .40 either.
 
The .40 is larger in diameter, it shoots heavier bullets and it generates more "energy"
You're not wrong, but it seems that in the real world it does not typically make a significant difference, for SD against humans, in this case. Also, IMO not enough difference to justify the loss in capacity and gain in recoil.

Now, if you wanted something for the woods, with more 'bone busting' power a .40 with 200 grain bullets under a heavy load will outclass both 9x19 and .45ACP IMO.
 
A .44 magnum! You're Dirty Harry!


I am ashamed to say I actually traded me model 29 towards my bass boat. I regret the decision. I havent been in the biggest hurry to replace it as the Glock 20 handles its role quite nicely.

I know, I should be ashamed.
 
Staff request

To our learned staff

Please issue a sticky at the head of this forum for the never settled theme of 9mm vs .40.

Title it "9mm vs 40 READ THIS."

Summarize the thousands of opinions on this matter into a single posting pretty much saying "one caliber may be ballistically superior on paper but the only thing which matters in the real world is how well the individual shoots it ." Or whatever you deem appropriate.

Then NEVER allow the debate to be re-started.

Thanks,
Pico
 
6 of one, half dozen of the other, really.

Buy the one that calls to you. The real world differences are minimal.
 
What do you shoot the best? That is the answer. Set up a target and take 5 quick shots of each caliber with guns similar to each other.
In self defense you will not have the luxury of lots of time, so shoot like your life depended on it. Comparing the two targets should give you the most accurate answer.
 
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