Shotguns Outdated?

Most of you are going to die in an armed conforntation. Get what ever you want and practice, practice, practice. Most of the HD shooters I have seen are pathetic in their ability
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I'll take the highroad with my opinion of this person's statement.
 
This guy sounds like an armchair commando jerkoff. Plenty of people survive gunfights who aren't green berets or anything. A willingness to protect your family and yourself goes a long way.
 
shot spread

I'm always surprised when people say there's essentially "no shot spread" at home defense ranges. That might be true if you have the muzzle stuck in the guy's belly, but other than that there is a significant amount of spread even at close range from a HD shotgun (28" barrels may be something altogether different, dunno).

Here is a pic of some shot spread at fairly close range from a 20" mossy:

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Not Right Either

Buckshot is not the right ammo for defensive purposes either. It is designed for use against male deer. It says so right on the ammo box.
 
Can't you just imagine asking a Wal-Mart sports dept. guy if they have any "manshot"?------- if you can ever find one behind the counter. I'll bet they would look for it, or just say, "We are out right now".
 
Buckshot is not the right ammo for defensive purposes either. It is designed for use against male deer. It says so right on the ammo box.
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I guess 99.9% of the LEO's in the US are wrong since that is the standard issue ammo for their shotguns other than slugs.

:rolleyes: Also I guess since my box of .22lr says it goes a about a mile it should be the military's new sniper round too.
 
I pretty much agree with obiwan...

I'm not likey to sell off my 870 but reality (IMO) suggests that the SG IS a niche weapon. The SG is my inside the house go to weapon (00 or slugs), but if I had to step outside...gimme a rifle or carbine, no question.

Why's the military procuring so many SG's? House & structure clearing!

Why'd the coast guard guy who raids floating meth labs trade for a SG? House (boat) & structure clearing! (Same scenario.)

What's hard to understand about that, unless you watch too much TV.;)
 
Let's see, I step outside my house and the longest shot I have is still only about 30 yards. Slugs should do if buckshot won't. The joys of urban living. ;)

John
 
Honestly, what would you pick for your opponent for CQB, a Carbine or a 870? If my opponent is inside a structure or even across a yard, I would rather he be equipped with a M4gery with all the latest toys than an 870 with bead sights. The current .22 micro carbine craze seems to be creating a crop of guns that aren't particularly well suited for any "niche."
 
Yes, you do use a shotgun to get to your FN FAL, but when things are close, they are the best. I often thought about what a great weapon for jungle warfare/FIBUA.
 
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