Shotguns Outdated?

If you had to hit a 3 inch circle at 50 yds.....life depended on it....which would you choose????
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I would choose a carbine of course. After all, they both have thier place.

Shotgun=Home defense
Carbine=Shooting little circles half a football field or more away because my life somehow depends on it
 
"Just asking people to think"

A lot of us have, and come to different conclusions than yours.

Using a slug to punch through a wall or car door is an additional advantage to the multiple-pellet-theory stuff.

John
 
Some of u guys are getting of topic. The topic is "PROTECTION". this is in reference to you or loved ones, not IRAQ insurgants. to Protect yourself you would either need to be in a building, car, or outside (CCW) and the distance for a target to threaten you would be within 50 feet at most. which = 16.6 yards. It is a no brainer that for home protection a shotgun with Buckshot is the optimum load. now if you at the city park or in your vehicle and someone threatens you they will be within 10-20 feet. you will use your HANDGUN. if you are in IRAQ and someone has a rifle pointed at u from the next building over, yes the rifle is a better choice.

sounds like some of you realllllly love your carbines too much to understand their purpose.
 
I personally would only use one of my rifles inside my home as a last resort. Rifle ammo will travel much farther than shotgun ammo at extremely close range such as in a room of a house, and there is always a possibility the roudn will go through the BG and through a few walls and be a danger to an innocent bystander in the surrounding area. I just don't want to take the chance. If my 00 Buck or my 40. Hollow points won't stop em or aren't in easy access then yes I would consider grabbing my Mini 14 or my SKS (god forbid it ever comes to that) but for close quarters I really think shotguns are an extremely effective weapon. They are versatile enough that they can fire the equal to 15 rounds of 30 cal, or a slug with devestating capabilities or in certain situations less than lethal rounds such as bean bags and rubber slugs. And if all else fails the stock makes a pretty good club. So no IMO the shotgun is not outdated.
 
"If you had to hit a 3 inch circle at 50 yds.....life depended on it....which would you choose????"

You must live in an enormous house.
 
My bedside companion is a savage 720 (Browning A-5) with an 18" BBL and 7 rounds of 00 buck. It will fire as fast as I can pull the trigger and the recoil operated system shoots so sweet:cool: . I OWN anything to 25 yards. At close range they are far from obsolete.
 
If God forbid, you ever had to shoot a home invader, it will be easier to explain why he (she) has 9-12 holes in them and is most likely deceased if you fired once with a shotgun and 00 buckshot than if you emptied a hicap pistol into them. Particularly if they are threatening you with a knife or bat of some kind a handgun may not stop the attacker before you suffer serious injury.
 
Overpenetration

I'm under the impression that overpenetration in a shotgun or rifle are both related to what rounds you feed them and that both have rounds that are overpenetrators. Is this correct, or am I missing something? Maybe 5.56 HP rounds don't always expand and overpenetrate sometimes.
 
5.56 NATO 55gr FMJ ammo is actually one of the least penetrative rounds through building material and one of the most effective for antipersonnel applications. The reason is that it breaks up and fragments. Unlike pistol ammo were fragmentation may compromise penetration with the 5.56 NATO ammo it creates a hugh (4-6") temporary cavity that is then shredded by the fragments producing a large wound cavity. If memory serves, it only penetrates about 3-6 layers of sheet rock.
 
I'd say shotgun because of A: Kachunk!... And B: The psychological re-assurance it offers -- that big hole in the barrel means buisness.

Also, there's some psychological re-assurance in the "can't miss" aspect of shotguns. Sure, by all means in rational thought a shotgun's not signifigantly more likely to hit than any other firearm in a hallway... But at 3AM when you hear glass breaking and your heart's pounding, I doubt you're going to be pondering the technical merits of a shotgun's patterning... I know I'd be alot more likely (if I thought about it at all) to think "Shotgun. Cone. Good!"

Cheers,
Wolfe...
 
5.56 NATO 55gr FMJ ammo is actually one of the least penetrative rounds through building material and one of the most effective for antipersonnel applications. The reason is that it breaks up and fragments. Unlike pistol ammo were fragmentation may compromise penetration with the 5.56 NATO ammo it creates a hugh (4-6") temporary cavity that is then shredded by the fragments producing a large wound cavity. If memory serves, it only penetrates about 3-6 layers of sheet rock.
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Only partially true.

Read the following....

The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm
 
Box O' Truth

Thanks guys, Jack19, and FirstFreedom.

So my take on the subject is that anything that will stop a bad guy will also penetrate several walls, so regardless of what weapon one uses, he must place well aimed shots at the bad guy, and the argument of shotgun over .223 because of less penetration is not a good one because one must load his shotgun with rounds that will penetrate.

Let me know what u think.

Also, I'm wondering if anyone has proof that OO buck is a better man stopper than .223 HP. I know this is a touchy subject. Just trying to give the carbine a fair chance.
 
Not Too Thrilled

In World War One, the Germans were not too thrilled with our use of shotguns in the trench warfare. Even though they used nerve gas, they thought our use of scatter guns was cruel.

The shotgun must have had been effective for this kind of reaction.
 
Today on the History Channel was Tales of the Gun. It was about the shotgun, where it began and what mark it has left on history. I don't think it would have stayed around as long as it has if it were obsolete(now or ever).
 
Please... is the revolver outdated??

Why is the military buying the Benelli M4 quicker than they can make them???

How many carbines would hold up to some of the abuse that has been delt out to ratty old police shotguns over the years? How many engagements occur at ranges over 25 yards???

Yeah the world has proven that LE needs carbines or rifles in the cruiser for some situations but overall the shotgun is still very usefull and very effective and the choice of many out there.
 
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