Shock and Awe ammo sequence to combat (real) pirates
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zombieslayer
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well, real pirates are still not going to wana be shot at with 308win. damn
greensteelforge
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You are talking about engaging a paramilitary force with a high likelihood that they have combat experience. All you will do by being armed is get yourself and your passengers and crew killed and wounded, and increase the number and types of weapons that the pirates have. Your most effective defense would be to make yourself appear to be of little to no value to them. Don't travel the dangerous parts of your trip with the boat decked to the nines, and everybody on board dressed like they have a bank account. Unless you've go armor, don't engage, an RPG is no joke (been shot at with more than a few), and anyone who thinks they can take on a well armed pack of third world killers with commercially available weapons is both foolish, and suicidal. Unarmed, you will almost certainly make it through alive, if a bit behind schedule, and lighter in the wallet. Your first shot would be about all you'd get, and it would be promptly answered by automatic rifle fire, rockets, and whatever else they have to throw at you. Forget sniping in open water, too, unless you've done it before (and allot), you won't hit anything but sky and ocean.
Green, You are 100% incorrect in this... You are very unlikely to survive! YOU AS A LIFE HAVE NO VALUE ALREADY!!! They want the vessel and stores and will not toss you over in a raft to identify them or your missing vessel to the authority. you will be shark turds in short order. It is the commercial merchant marine employees that have a "life value". This "para military force" will be 3-8 individuals in one boarding vessel of the private stolen variety... These "goons" are not trained to fight force with force... They are trained to board and terrorize the occupants into submission and kill them or take them hostage if ransom expectations are high. They are more likely to back off at the first sign of resistance and fight from a distance (reason or a .30-06) or return later (not as likely as you will likely have hailed attention from authority and naval forces)...
If they do return with a back up vessel... shoot at both equally.
Brent
If they do return with a back up vessel... shoot at both equally.
Brent
Manonash,May God be with you.But,if you are determined to do this with the wife in tow and no escort.IMO,Use Glocks(10mm,.45,.40)full size.Tough,rust resistant,proven.Marine grade Shotguns with .00 for boarders only.HK91,FAL,M14,AR10,HK93 or M4 rifles.(at Least 2).There are cheaper versions out there.But,I stress reliability.Reliability or death.Know your weapons.Practice often.Keep them clean.Have plenty of ammo.You can get food and water .Ammo will be at a premium.And most of all mindset.This is where people live or die.If they board you will at the least be tortured and abused.Remember this.You most likely will die.Fire to kill from a distance with your rifle.If they keep coming fire at will until the assault is repelled or they board.If boarded,Use shotguns and handguns as needed from a fortified prearranged position.Remember,they are there to do you harm.You harm first without hesitation or remorse.Then vacate the premises as fast as the wind will take you.
RR
RR
Manonash,May God be with you.But,if you are determined to do this with the wife in tow and no escort.IMO,Use Glocks(10mm,.45,.40)full size.Tough,rust resistant,proven.Marine grade Shotguns with .00 for boarders only.HK91,FAL,M14,AR10,HK93 or M4 rifles.(at Least 2).There are cheaper versions out there.But,I stress reliability.Reliability or death.Know your weapons.Practice often.Keep them clean.Have plenty of ammo.You can get food and water .Ammo will be at a premium.And most of all mindset.This is where people live or die.If they board you will at the least be tortured and abused.Remember this.You most likely will die.Fire to kill from a distance with your rifle.If they keep coming fire at will until the assault is repelled or they board.If boarded,Use shotguns and handguns as needed from a fortified prearranged position.Remember,they are there to do you harm.You harm first without hesitation or remorse.Then vacate the premises as fast as the wind will take you.
RR
RR
I've some sailing experience though not a lot on open water - but a couple of friends who have and one of those has a master's ticket and ferries yachts for a living. I asked him about this and he had two comments. The first was basically, be lucky. The second was that after a couple of weeks at sea he can shoot well offhand. He uses a FAL, and having a couple myself, I concur that the reliability of military arms is important. His brother was SAS and says a bullpup is the better way to go - keeping the movement of the barrel down - but we both pointed out to him that he was forced to go with the bullpup...
This guy is still at sea.
The other guy sailed the Caribbean a lot and he said the waters there are perhaps worse because the likelihood of other boats is so much higher than in Malaysian waters and he worries more about the proximity of land masses. He is less concerned with Malaysia because he feels he can afford to be less laissez-fair about the traffic and immediately retrieve a rifle if something pops up. He has also had several run-ins in the leewards that were not too pleasant, ending up in hospital on one occasion. He simply said to never tell someone what your next port of call is at the club, and leave early in the morning when heading out. Other than that he bowed to the Brit (he's Rhodesian - not Zimbabwean - as he would say) on the matter of what to take along - we all attended the same boarding school in the dark continent way back.
My mate's brother does have a good point though about the bullpup, and you may find that a PS90 or such, though its rounds might be small are both loaded to the gills at fifty rounds, easy to hold on target, and easier to conceal and ammo takes up less room loaded into those long mags. Again, we grew up with FALs but I have to listen to a guy with a lot of experience in a more lethal kind of existence.
Good luck to you, and go for it! A night under the Southern Cross is worth a little worry.
Jim
This guy is still at sea.The other guy sailed the Caribbean a lot and he said the waters there are perhaps worse because the likelihood of other boats is so much higher than in Malaysian waters and he worries more about the proximity of land masses. He is less concerned with Malaysia because he feels he can afford to be less laissez-fair about the traffic and immediately retrieve a rifle if something pops up. He has also had several run-ins in the leewards that were not too pleasant, ending up in hospital on one occasion. He simply said to never tell someone what your next port of call is at the club, and leave early in the morning when heading out. Other than that he bowed to the Brit (he's Rhodesian - not Zimbabwean - as he would say) on the matter of what to take along - we all attended the same boarding school in the dark continent way back.
My mate's brother does have a good point though about the bullpup, and you may find that a PS90 or such, though its rounds might be small are both loaded to the gills at fifty rounds, easy to hold on target, and easier to conceal and ammo takes up less room loaded into those long mags. Again, we grew up with FALs but I have to listen to a guy with a lot of experience in a more lethal kind of existence.
Good luck to you, and go for it! A night under the Southern Cross is worth a little worry.
Jim
I should add that the guy with the master's ticket is a dead ringer for a blond-haired 6'6" 250 pound rugby player, so keep in mind that a FAL gets heavier by the second offhand, distance shooting, without the usual jacket and glove of a hi-power shooter - and its not like you can lean on the mast..