Seat Belt Laws: At Any Cost

Direct answers Mr Lucibella:, c'mon do share.

Let me help: You have no actual, real life experience or training. Everything you know you got from the internet and reading magazines. You've never been a cop, never had any LE training, nor have you been to law school. You may have been in court once or twice while getting out of jury duty or went to the courthouse to the assessor's office. None of this prevents you from knowing it all, cause this is the internet and everyone's an expert.

Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong
 
This thread clearly illustrates the absurdity of the "It's the Law" statement that I posted in the other thread.

Sure, its the law. It's also the law that the police can kill you if you resist. Define resist. OK. 'Anything the officer can twist into a reasonably articulated way so as to give the impression that he was fearful in the pursuit of his duties, that would be impossible to prove after the fact.'

He head butted me.
He made a furtive movement.
He made a mean face at me.
He questioned my authority.
He growled at me.

Thanks sendec, you made my point.
 
No, I'm tired, tired of supercilious, know-it-alls who are thrilled for the opportunity to rip on those who actually work the field. People who put the "Danger" in "a little knowledge."
 
Well Sendec, Rich kind of already stressed a few times, that the issue he wants to debate is not the legality of what the cop did... the cop sprayed the victim because he was resisting, resistance type (violent/passive) was not clearly listed, but going by the officers actions it was probably violent resistance.

Rich wants to debate whether or not the system should have given this guy (and others who are wanted for minor offenses...) other options..

I understand where ya coming from too. This guy was not a wanted man for a seatbelt law violation he had a failure to appear warrant...

This one will probably go in circles though.
 
Because police work is like an iceberg - the 5% you see on "COPS" or that one contact you had during a traffic ticket, you extrapolate it to the hidden %95 you never see and know nothing about.

It aint "Adam 12" and the "good old days" never existed. Policing is a complex dynamic profession that by its nature is next to impossible to quantify.
 
Rich wants to debate whether or not the system should have given this guy (and others who are wanted for minor offenses...) other options..
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They did give him other options, but everybody is willing to ignore that fact. He had two years worth of options from the time he committed the original violation until the time he was arrested. As I already pointed out, Texas has a program to prevent people who don't appear in court or pay their fines from registering a vehicle or renewing their license... the exact same thing Rich is trying to say would be a better alternative. Well, at least in this case that didn't work.

What other options should they have done??? Should they have sent a singing telegram to the guy's house to ask him to please come in and take care of that traffic violation he's been ignoring???
 
No, what Rich wants is everyone to agree with his worldview. He doesnt want to debate, he wants to pontificate.
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Ummm, I'm not the one who just posted a dozen times in ten minutes.

Frankly, sendec, I don't see why you are so angry. I guess I really did hit a nerve when all I was attempting was to correct factual misstatements on your part.

However, the only person that I see turning this into a LEO bashing thread is yourself. The rest of us are debating Bad Law.....if you equate that with Bad Law Enforcement, well that's a cross you'll just have to bear.

Finally, as to my bona fides to debate Bad Law:
I'm an American Citizen. That's as good as it gets, friend.

I suggest deep breaths for the anger management problem. ;)
Rich
 
What other options should they have done??? Should they have sent a singing telegram to the guy's house to ask him to please come in and take of that traffic violation he's been ignoring???
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Not a bad idea actually. :D

Maybe not a singing telegram, but a letter.

But the way I see it is... The court does not HAVE to mail anything, it's to the individual to follow up on a ticket (all the documentation the court needs to provide)

I'm caught in the middle of this one.
 
I think the problem is that the cops had the utter audacity to enforce the law, because the experts here think that seatbelt laws are wrong and the gummint is pickin' on them.

Of course, I'm guessing that if I dont write someone for the belt violation, and he goes out and kills himself in a wreck, his estate will sue me for not saving his life by forcing him to wear the dreaded Belt Of Doom.
 
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