SBR a dying concept?
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$200 accessory???? The can will run you over $1000 + $200 for the stamp.
https://silencerco.com/silencers/omega/
I can carry my AR pistol pretty much every where I go without asking anyone's permission.
Theohazard
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He was referring to the cost to Form 1 an SBR. After all, that's what this thread is all about.Nanuk said:
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dogtown tom
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Really?
Never been to Texas??? 'Cause you'll need the State of Texas' permission to carry your AR pistol.....but you wouldn't need it to carry an SBR.You'll also need permission in nearly every state in the U.S.:
Alabama without a holster.....you do use a holster for your AR pistol don't you?
California concealed requires a permit, open carry requires a permit.
Colorado you can't carry concealed or open without a permit.
Connecticut has a stroke over such evil pistols.
Delaware requires a permit to carry concealed
D.C. No open carry and carrying concealed likely requires a lengthy court battle.
Florida no open carry without a concealed carry license.
Georgia.....I could go on and on but you really CAN'T go wherever you want without asking someone's permission.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
armoredman
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Arizona wouldn't care much, as long as he isn't a prohibited possessor.
armoredman
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LEOSA...wish it covered more people. My cousin was a cop in Fort Worth for years, too, nice place.
To cross state lines with an SBR you need a mother may I from ATF and it must speciffy where you are going and why. Several states are nogo' s simply because NFA items are illegal there. The utility of the AR pistol is not that one is going to carry it in the same manner as a CCW but that you can carry it loaded in the car with you, legally. An SBR is still a rifle. Many states have laws that regulate loaded rifles in vehicles that are vastly different than the laws on pistols. The only real concern I have is states with magazine capacity laws, by many of those states I have no reason or desire to visit.
I see two disinct camps here. The SBR camp, those who have invested in them and feel they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and the AR pistol camp who says hmm I can do pretty much the same thing without the red tape and cost.
Have used machine guns, SBR's, sub guns and about everything in between for almost 40 years and I am sold on the AR pistol concept after using one and shooting competively with it against guys with carbines.
I see two disinct camps here. The SBR camp, those who have invested in them and feel they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and the AR pistol camp who says hmm I can do pretty much the same thing without the red tape and cost.
Have used machine guns, SBR's, sub guns and about everything in between for almost 40 years and I am sold on the AR pistol concept after using one and shooting competively with it against guys with carbines.
dogtown tom
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I do....regularly & legally. No ATF permission slip needed. And I'm not covered under LEOSA either.
Your special status under LEOSA is misleading as to the legality and complexity of traveling the US with firearms.
You think I was being a smartaleck for pointing out the fallacy of your claim? Note that you never mentioned about being able to carry under LEOSA and since you have I'll point out that you may not be aware that carrying under LEOSA doesn't allow you to carry "wherever".
LEOSA doesn't grant you the same concealed carry rights as does a CHL/LTC/CCW issued by a state. For example, restrictions imposed by a business (like a "No Guns" sign) or even in state government buildings here in Texas..........'cause if you aren't licensed in Texas, you can't carry concealed in a state government building.
Further, and maybe most importantly, LEOSA doesn't exempt you from the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act for example......you'll need PERMISSION in the form of that states firearms permit to possess a firearm when within 1,000ft of a school. Didn't know that did ya? Think about how many schools are within 1,000ft of an interstate highway, much less surface streets.
So every time you been traveling thinking you don't need anyone's permission........you've been committing felony after felony. So much for "wherever" right?
You might want to read this:http://le.nra.org/leosa/off-limit-areas.aspx
and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act#LEOSA_Restrictions
So in short, yeah, you can't carry "wherever".
Tom, I also have a license from my state.
You cannot carry loaded, in your car a registered SBR in many places, you cannot cross state lines with an SBR without prior written permission from BATFE which specifies where you are going and for what purpose. You do not need to do that with a pistol.
No need to take it to extremes, the fact is that carrying an SBR is more restrictive than carrying a pistol.
You cannot carry loaded, in your car a registered SBR in many places, you cannot cross state lines with an SBR without prior written permission from BATFE which specifies where you are going and for what purpose. You do not need to do that with a pistol.
No need to take it to extremes, the fact is that carrying an SBR is more restrictive than carrying a pistol.
dogtown tom
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Good, but that and LEOSA don't offer any exemption from the Federal GFSZA when you are outside your state of residence.
Citation please.
True. But getting permission is easier than getting a CHL/CCW/LTC and can cover every state and a calendar year...it's done all the time.
No sir, the FACT isn't, and I've provided you the links above to show you where and why your claim of "I can carry my AR pistol pretty much every where I go without asking anyone's permission" just isn't true.
CalmerThanYou
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I am pretty content to let the legal teams at SB Tactical and Sig sort this out for me. My braced pistols will stay exactly as purchased from the manufacturer. And I find them to be just fine as is. 9mm has minimal recoil so they shoot like a dream.
dogtown tom
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Dogtown Tom,
It depends on the state. Some states have laws that make it illegal to carry loaded rifles or shotguns in vehicles.
WA: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460
WI: http://dnr.wi.gov/emergency/documents/2011_wis_act_51.pdf
MN: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/ss/ssfiretrns.pdf
It depends on the state. Some states have laws that make it illegal to carry loaded rifles or shotguns in vehicles.
WA: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460
WI: http://dnr.wi.gov/emergency/documents/2011_wis_act_51.pdf
MN: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/ss/ssfiretrns.pdf
dogtown tom
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I'm aware of that.....what Nanuck is claiming is that there are states that specifically prohibit carrying a loaded SBR in a car.
No need, I understand your ignorance on the matter as Texas has no laws to the effect, however, many states do. They are usually listed under game and fish laws. Yes they are misdemeanors, but they are still the law.
Carry license is not the topic here, nice deflection.
https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/form20
Keep telling yourself that it is just as easy to transport an NFA item as a pistol, it does not make it anymore truthful.
Ok, You got me. I should have said " I can carry a loaded AR pistol anywhere I can carry my Glock". Of course one must be aware of magazine capacity limits.
I see two very polarized camps, one says " Check it out AR pistol", The other feels a necessity to justify the extra expense of an SBR and say "AR pistols are just toys, no serious rifleman would such an abomination."
Other than a buttstock the SBR has no benefit over the AR pistol, learn to properly and legally run the AR pistol and any benefit rapidly disappears. At current prices I can have an AR pistol in 2 calibers for less than 1 SBR, and no 1 year wait for paperwork.
How many states do not allow citizens to own SBR's?