San Francisco Bans Handguns

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minorities in the shooting sports

I go to shooting ranges, gun stores, and hunting. I have rarely, I mean rarely, seen any nonwhite person participating in shooting sports.
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About half the competitors at most of the Bay Area bullseye matches are asian.

You say forty percent of the folks voted against the gun ban. Guess what, that is the percentage of whites living there. No, not every white person voted against and not every nonwhite voted for, but I'd wager it was close.
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Point understood, but probably not close. Most liberals I know are middle class white.

Third point,
NOT ALL OF CALIFORNIA IS LIKE THIS!
 
State Divided

The rest of the nation is lead to believe that California is some sort of melting pot. Our politicians want everyone to think that we are racially diverse and intergrated. Nothing could be further from the truth.

We are one of the most prejudice and racist states in the union. Our major metropolitan area are racially segregated. It is by design. Our congessional districts are drawn up to take full advantage of this. In our last state election, some 175 state seats were up for election. Not one incumbent lost. This last election Arnold had an intiative on the ballot to try to redraw our political boundaries, that didn't go far.

I know African Americans that have moved here from other parts of the country. They have remarked that they have never seen anything like this. My wife's family lives in the bay area. The liberal bastion of the world. There are places their that you will not see a white person. There are areas where you will not see a minority. I kid you not on this. There are certain eateries were all the patrons are of one race or another, rarely both. Our politicians have made it so. Until this changes we do not have a prayer here in this state.

Gun and hunting laws really do not have a chance here.
 
It bans the sale, manufacture and transfer of ALL firearms and ALL ammunition. Residents owning handguns are required to turn those in. They can keep long guns but what good are they without ammunition?
 
Sounds like EVERY gun owner in SanFran is going to be wanting a lever action short-barreled .357 carbine very soon... Or a similar pump shotgun...

God, what stupid laws... If you live in SanFran can you go to San Jose and buy a gun from a shop there?
 
As much as the nazis in SF would like it to be true they cannot ban the transfer of anything outside their jurisdiction so no one really has to turn anything in as they can sell it and transfer it to someone who lives in America. I suspect this BS law will be struck down anyway but if not you will likely see a lot more sales listings from SF folks with the stipulation it cannot be sold to a Californian. What the nazis will do to enforce this is pick off gun owners who resist one by one over a long period of time and make a media circus of it to warn others. They will offer an amnesty period for a few weeks every now and again to get the now scared folks to play ball. Isn't it funny how when the socialists pull this kind of crap they never have the nerve to make their plans known, assemble their stormtroopers, and then go door to door demanding compliance in a single unified show of force? Do that SF nazis, just have some balls and do that, and see how passive a lot of folks are when the lines are clearly drawn.
 
NOT coming to a news program near you

Maybe there's a silver lining here. When SF's violence rate soars, it will be a good lesson for other cities,
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When SF's violence rate soars, the liberal/Demosocialist media will bury the truth.
 
I don't know what part of California you live in roy, but here well over half the people that attend the range are Armenian, Hispanic, and Asian. And the gunstore owners treat everyone with contempt equally, including whites. :)

And can you honestly tell me that Christians haven't been responsible for trying to limit our freedoms? I know they're doing it today, and I know they were partly responsible for prohibition.
 
Bedula32, consider yourself lucky

Then I got a visit from the local Sheriff's Department insisting to know 'where' the gun was. Again I stated it was not in their jurisdiction and therefore their interest in it was over and that was all I was willing to say. Then they told me I had to tell them exactly where it was or I'd be prosecuted for obstruction.
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Yet another example of police lying to citizens to get what they want. Clearly, he was not comitting obstruction of justice, or the Sheriff would have arrested him then and there. The gun had been removed from their "area of operations;" the law had been obeyed, and the Sheriff had no say in the matter.

I guess he was lucky that the Sheriff's dept. didn't get a search warrant and destroy the inside of his home "looking" for the gun in question. That has happened before.
 
Hey Cobray! Get your head out of your ass!!!!! Did you have bad experiences with Christians in the past? Perhaps your momma didn't raise you right. Christians have absolutely nothing to do with the banning of hand guns in San Francisco! Christians promote 'freedom' in Christ, and liberation through Him. Christians undoubtedly support the 2nd amendment and the right to defend thyself. You are a cockroach...man, get over yourself and your narrow views.
 
Peoples Republic Of Davis

I have seen two or three nonwhites at the range I frequent. I have seen some Asians shooting, but they are very political folks. Many never vote.

There is small city just west of where I live. It is called Davis, some of you may have heard of this place. It is so far left that it challenges Berkley. Signs on the outskirts proclaim it to be a Nuclera Free Zone. I wonder were the residents go for X-Rays, but that is another point.

I challenge anyone to find a person of color living there. It is one of the most lilly white places you will ever see. Apparently, they are not too keen on "others" moving in the area.

Anyone that see's minorities engaged in shooting sports in California, please tell me where. I want to go see it for myself.
 
progunner1957............ I don't consider myself lucky at all. The Sacramento Sheriff's Department paid for my relocation to Colorado, my truck, and half my guns after I finally brought a lawsuit after numerous false arrests which resulted in the charges being dropped. Basically I was arrested repeatedly for getting fed up with endless harassment and refusing to cooperate with them anymore in the form of refusing to identify myself or show ID unless they had reasonable suspicion, which they actually never did have - ever. See US Supreme Court Brown v. Texas, and Hibel v. Nevada (Hibel was after my lawsuit though) if you want a better idea of the issues involved though neither of those cases was mine. Even in Hibel the Supreme Court clearly ruled AGAIN that no reasonable suspicion on the part of the cops equals no obligation to cooperate on the part of the citizen. In Hibel there was resonable suspicion though but the right to not cooperate when lacking reasonable suspicion was still upheld even if Hibel himself lost. I got arrested numerous times when they KNEW they could not get a conviction and would have to drop the charges. They wanted to learn me a lesson by sitting in jail for 6-12 hours a pop and drop the BS charges before a judge saw the case. This was all for asking the simple question "Why did you stop me" and then refusing to ID myself when the answer was not sufficient. The feds even investigated the Sacramento Sheriff's Department during that same time period for similar issues. If I could stomach living in California I'd be happy to continue to defy their nazi mentality. Easiest money I ever made. Would think I was a neurosurgeon when you do the per hour math versus time in jail and what they settled for.
 
On San Francisco election result

On election Day, a combination of Utopia Believers, Anti-Gunners and or the just plain gullible, passed Proposition H, the latest in gun bans originating in San Francisco. The hope is that this enactment will being safety, peace, calm and happiness to all and sundry, a hope likely to be dashed by reality, reality that sooner or later comes home to roost.

When the error of their ways is brought forcefully to the attention of the good people of San Francisco, to whom might then turn for redress or assistance? To the snake oil salesmen on the Board of
Supervisors that sold them this bill of goods, the best of luck to them there. To Senator Feinstein, who hails from San Francisco, good luck there too, but remember that she, aside from having the benefit of publically provided armed guards, is also one of the rich elitists who could go out and buy the protection she has, in the past, tried to deny to the commonfolk.

One might, after some thought, be given to conclude that the people of San Francisco who bought the above mentioned bill of goods deserve the trouble they voted for, however this might be unwarranatedly harsh a conclusion,however readers should remember the following. This sort of thing could well come to the place where you live. Pay attention to what is ongoing, lest it does.
 
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[B]Cobray Commando[/B] And can you honestly tell me that Christians haven't been responsible for trying to limit our freedoms? I know they're doing it today, and I know they were partly responsible for prohibition.

I apologize if that is how Christians come across as being. Cincinnati is right in saying that Christianity is about freedom. I think you have mistaken Christianity for those who have hid behind it in the means of political gain. Prohibition was steeped from the cultural mindset of making America a "better" place amidst times of economic downfalls and a world war. Yes, many Christians attached themselves to that movement. However, Christians have also attached themselves to second amendment causes, civil rights movements, and medical/hospital treatments. Everyone things the group they are not a part of are trying to limit their freedoms.
 
cincinnati, author of such fine posts as this one: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187267 :barf:

I do believe basically every group is trying to limit freedoms, name one that isn't. Maybe the libertarian party which I'm not a part of and not many others are either.

The reason I mentioned Christians is that they were in fact partly responsible, along with a stupid public and feminists, for several of the stepping stones of the confiscation of firearms. Prohibition, restriction of fully automatic firearms etc.

I did in fact say Christians and not Christianity were in part responsible for these things as well as the restriction of other freedoms. Not all them are of course, as not all Muslims are responsible for terrorism (of course that doesn't stop people from disliking them intensely to say the least). I don't see how that makes me a cockroach for saying that.
 
Christians promote 'freedom' in Christ, and liberation through Him.
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That statement in itself seems to come across narrow minded. In other words, does freedom only come "through" believing in Christ. And so if you are not a christian, you are not "Free"?
I believe that all people should be free to practise the religion of their choice. Any religion that says their way is the only way is definitely narrow minded. There are many ways to the same path.
When the narrow minded Fundementalist Christians say that a woman does not have the right to choose abortion, that seems very close to someone saying that your should not have the right to have a firearm to defend yourself. Restrictive laws are restrictive laws. You might believe that life begins in the womb, but you do not have the right to tell someone else to believe that.

Roy:-Davis, CA
I challenge anyone to find a person of color living there. It is one of the most lilly white places you will ever see. Apparently, they are not too keen on "others" moving in the area.
Anyone that see's minorities engaged in shooting sports in California, please tell me where. I want to go see it for myself.
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Check out UC Davis. There are lots of asians there! I went to a martial arts tournament there, and there were only a few whites in attendance.
As for minorities in the shooting world, as I stated before, go to any of the bay area Bullseye tournaments or IPSC tourneys and you will see many people of color.
 
Highland Ranch: That statement in itself seems to come across narrow minded. In other words, does freedom only come "through" believing in Christ. And so if you are not a christian, you are not "Free"?
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It may seem to come across as narrow minded, but the argument could be turned around and placed on any set of beliefs that one could belief. Let's make it more personal. Is Take something that you believe and apply it to something that others do not believe. Does that belief make you narrowminded? To admit that an argument can be narrowminded is fair and not necessarily a bad thing. Why? Because to be narrowminded admits that one is not objective. If you think you are objective, you are lying to yourself and to others. We live in an increasingly inclusive culture where multiplicity and diversity is seen as a positive then, when it fact it is usually a polite way of saying that there are several wrong people in the midst of a few correct ones. After all, all we are doing is changing the circumstances surrounding the context. By your assertion, anyone who believes in restriction is narrowminded. Therefore, Western logic tells us that everyone is narrowminded unless they are an illogical fool (Black is never white, a frog is never a dog, and 2+2 always equals four). Science, math, and any subject has truths to it and regardless of what one perceives as those truths do not change the truths.

Abortion is always a sticky subject and is hard to comment on. Since determining when life begins is in constantly in debate and coming to a reasonable conclusion is near impossible because of the agendas of both sides its hard to say. All I can say is that I can imagine why a rape victim would not want to carry her child. I can also why someone would take the moral high road and condemn abortion akin to a second system of slavery. To take a seperate individual and snuff their life out under the knife would be murder only inches from outside the womb. I imagine they fight for those whom they believe have a right to life.

For stepping on toes of those who believe differently than others, its a fact of life. Simply throwing out the argument that it is "narrowminded" is really pointing out the obvious and isn't a valid point. Why? Because both sides of discussion could tell the other that they are narrowminded until they are blue in the face and no ones mind is changed.
 
when it fact it is usually a polite way of saying that there are several wrong people in the midst of a few correct ones.
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So without the complicated rationalizations, are you saying that Christians are correct, and Hindus, Buddists, muslems are incorrect in their beliefs?
The fundamentalist Christian believes that all will go to hell, except for those that believe in the Son, Christ, Correct?
So for all those spritual and good buddists living their lives, they are inccorect, right? That's not narrowminded? Give me a break. Buddism does not believe that Christians are wrong, just another way to the same end.
What is that end? God, Allah, Tao, the One, whatever you want to call it.

Thankyou for a more openimindedness to abortion, and looking at the other side. Yes, I was raised a Christian so I know that side as well.
 
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