San Francisco Bans Handguns
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Whitefalls
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If the second amendment isn't an "individual" right, then why don't we treat all of the bill of rights as if they aren't individual? You now no longer have the INDIVIDUAL right of free speech. And protection from search and seizures doesn't apply to individuals. Right to a fair trial doesn't apply to a lowly individual either.
It's ridiculous... the bill of rights entire purpose is to protect the individual, and to see the second amendment trampled on makes me sick. :barf:
It's ridiculous... the bill of rights entire purpose is to protect the individual, and to see the second amendment trampled on makes me sick. :barf:
You Are All Affected
The last two presidential elections were close. You do realize that California has the most electoral votes. Luckily, it didn't matter in the last two big elections. But it might next time. Do not think you are completely immune to the cancer growing in this state?
The last two presidential elections were close. You do realize that California has the most electoral votes. Luckily, it didn't matter in the last two big elections. But it might next time. Do not think you are completely immune to the cancer growing in this state?
One way bus tickets into town?
Maybe the criminals will all get bus tickets and move there for easy pickin's.
Didn't they try same ban in D.C.? Worked real well. But I guess now all the flower children will feel warm and fuzzy till they get their heads bashed in. They were talking to some lady on Fox last night about that law. Host offered that in case of a huge earthquake, the one that is inevetible, shouldn't folks have guns to protect their homes and families, as was evidenced in N.O. lately? She could not get her mind around the idea of home protection in a disaster at all, and said alot of idiotic things. IT is just beyond their comprehension, until they find out too late from personal experience!
Maybe the criminals will all get bus tickets and move there for easy pickin's.
Didn't they try same ban in D.C.? Worked real well. But I guess now all the flower children will feel warm and fuzzy till they get their heads bashed in. They were talking to some lady on Fox last night about that law. Host offered that in case of a huge earthquake, the one that is inevetible, shouldn't folks have guns to protect their homes and families, as was evidenced in N.O. lately? She could not get her mind around the idea of home protection in a disaster at all, and said alot of idiotic things. IT is just beyond their comprehension, until they find out too late from personal experience!
Oh yea, I forgot
Heard that some "migrant leaders" were proposing that the southwestern states should be organised into a new republic of northern mexico. Including Cal. If that happens, problem solved! it will be a foreign country! BTW who in SF would be able to stop them now?
Heard that some "migrant leaders" were proposing that the southwestern states should be organised into a new republic of northern mexico. Including Cal. If that happens, problem solved! it will be a foreign country! BTW who in SF would be able to stop them now?
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They'll take arizona from my cold, dead hands...
xrageofangelsx
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Sorry, Bub. Christians have very little to do with banning firearms in general.
xrageofangelsx
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It really makes me stop and wonder about the transition that our country is going through. Globally known as a country that supports freedom, we are becoming more and more a post-war nation such as our friends across the pond (England) and like our enemies (WWII Germany) in the fact that freedoms are being restricted left and right.
Hating San Franciscans for their proposition does not seem purposeful at their time. Hopefully, but doubtfully, in time they will realize that this is a mistake. Hopefully, but doubtfully, our brothers and sisters in the state of California wont be grossly abused by those who will not submit their guns as they are criminals who have more than likely stolen them.
If the NRA does not get involved in this war for city-superceding state and federal rights, I can say that they won't get a damn red dime from me again. I'd like to hear from some pro-gun San Franciscans who are out there and what they think and feel about this new and in my opinion, illegal, proposition.
I'm torn into thinking which is the best decision, but realizing that all options are not good ones. Should people move out of California? Should people move in to California to stop future legislation and remove prior legislation. Also, in semi-jest, what is the Governator doing as a semi-Republican to repeal this?
Either way, there are several upset people going to bed in California tonite. What effects our brothers and sisters there, will affect us similarly in 20 years.
Also, we'll see who has the guts to stand up against their government. So often I hear people say that they will die before their guns will be removed from their hands. I bet this law will go without one shot being fired and this makes me wish that Americans still had a piece of that revolutionary spirit...
Peace be with you.
Hating San Franciscans for their proposition does not seem purposeful at their time. Hopefully, but doubtfully, in time they will realize that this is a mistake. Hopefully, but doubtfully, our brothers and sisters in the state of California wont be grossly abused by those who will not submit their guns as they are criminals who have more than likely stolen them.
If the NRA does not get involved in this war for city-superceding state and federal rights, I can say that they won't get a damn red dime from me again. I'd like to hear from some pro-gun San Franciscans who are out there and what they think and feel about this new and in my opinion, illegal, proposition.
I'm torn into thinking which is the best decision, but realizing that all options are not good ones. Should people move out of California? Should people move in to California to stop future legislation and remove prior legislation. Also, in semi-jest, what is the Governator doing as a semi-Republican to repeal this?
Either way, there are several upset people going to bed in California tonite. What effects our brothers and sisters there, will affect us similarly in 20 years.
Also, we'll see who has the guts to stand up against their government. So often I hear people say that they will die before their guns will be removed from their hands. I bet this law will go without one shot being fired and this makes me wish that Americans still had a piece of that revolutionary spirit...
Peace be with you.
GOOD. I honestly hope it does. When people are that stupid in the face of logic, they deserve to suffer the effects of their own moronic choices.
I feel bad for the sensible, law-abiding gun owners in that city, though, who will actually have to surrender their (formerly) legally owned guns. That's a tremendous injustice. How much will they be compensated, if at all?
Screw San Francisco.
I can't wait til the gun crime doesn't abate, and gets even worse, and those abject freakin' idiots have to answer for why their demented gun ban idea didn't do anyone any good.
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I Have A Suggestion
California has a deep problem when it comes to the shooting sports and hunting. We are a state that is divided racially. I do not say this as a negative comment, just as a matter of fact.
The liberal politicians here use minority groups as pawns. They promise to clean their neighborhoods of crime by enacting more gun laws. We know that doesn't work, but they are great at making empty promises.
I go to shooting ranges, gun stores, and hunting. I have rarely, I mean rarely, seen any nonwhite person participating in shooting sports. I will hunt or shoot with anyone of any race as long as they are safe and decent folks. Our gun shows have idiots that sell NAZI artifacts. That makes a lot of sense in a state that the whites are less then fifty percent of the population. I've seen gun store employees treat "certain" customers with disdain if not indifference. Who do you think that those folks are going to vote for? Whcih side of theissues do you think they will take up.
California needs a program were everyone gets exposure to the shooting sports. Maybe certain people will realize that us most of us Republicans are not out to get them and most Democrats could care less about them beyond the ballot box.
California has a deep problem when it comes to the shooting sports and hunting. We are a state that is divided racially. I do not say this as a negative comment, just as a matter of fact.
The liberal politicians here use minority groups as pawns. They promise to clean their neighborhoods of crime by enacting more gun laws. We know that doesn't work, but they are great at making empty promises.
I go to shooting ranges, gun stores, and hunting. I have rarely, I mean rarely, seen any nonwhite person participating in shooting sports. I will hunt or shoot with anyone of any race as long as they are safe and decent folks. Our gun shows have idiots that sell NAZI artifacts. That makes a lot of sense in a state that the whites are less then fifty percent of the population. I've seen gun store employees treat "certain" customers with disdain if not indifference. Who do you think that those folks are going to vote for? Whcih side of theissues do you think they will take up.
California needs a program were everyone gets exposure to the shooting sports. Maybe certain people will realize that us most of us Republicans are not out to get them and most Democrats could care less about them beyond the ballot box.
Down here in Texas half of the people I see at gun shows are hispanic or black. Could it be the bullsh*t firearms laws in KA is what dissuades minorities from participating?
I'd wager a nice sum of change that it is, and it was made that way on purpose. Jim Crow laws to keep the brown skinned unarmed and afraid of guns so they will vote to continue the socialist/communist agenda.
I'd wager a nice sum of change that it is, and it was made that way on purpose. Jim Crow laws to keep the brown skinned unarmed and afraid of guns so they will vote to continue the socialist/communist agenda.
The Politicians
Our laws are a hassle for anyone in California that wants to shoot.
I have friend here that moved from a midwest state several years ago. He remarked on the lack of minorities hunting here. His home state has everyone going out on opening day of deer season or duck season or any hunting season. In that state, any politician proposing a gun or hunting ban would committ political suicide. Even the democrats their know that their are certain boundaries they don't cross.
You say forty percent of the folks voted against the gun ban. Guess what, that is the percentage of whites living there. No, not every white person voted against and not every nonwhite voted for, but I'd wager it was close.
California needs some kind of program to bring more folks into the world of shooting sports. Until then, we are doomed here.
Our laws are a hassle for anyone in California that wants to shoot.
I have friend here that moved from a midwest state several years ago. He remarked on the lack of minorities hunting here. His home state has everyone going out on opening day of deer season or duck season or any hunting season. In that state, any politician proposing a gun or hunting ban would committ political suicide. Even the democrats their know that their are certain boundaries they don't cross.
You say forty percent of the folks voted against the gun ban. Guess what, that is the percentage of whites living there. No, not every white person voted against and not every nonwhite voted for, but I'd wager it was close.
California needs some kind of program to bring more folks into the world of shooting sports. Until then, we are doomed here.
Thats not surprising that SF banned them. The big cities are filling up with panty waisted liberals faster than you can count them. They should be able to talk themselves out of the next terrorist attack or criminal enterprise. They will be ok 
Can't we all just get along Lets all be friends.
Can't we all just get along Lets all be friends.Tyme, did you miss where I wrote this: "I feel bad for the sensible, law-abiding gun owners in that city, though, who will actually have to surrender their (formerly) legally owned guns. That's a tremendous injustice."?
I didn't mean to imply that the vote was 100% for the ban, but now that the "majority" has gotten its way, I can't wait to see the city fall to crime just to prove to them that we've been right all along and they were morons to not listen to US, and to HISTORY, and give up on the stupid idea that gun bans fight crime.
I'm sorry that good people, enlightened gun owners who know that it's up to them to protect themselves, will have to suffer and lose their rights and their hardware in order for the country (and the world) to see the point get made.
-blackmind
I didn't mean to imply that the vote was 100% for the ban, but now that the "majority" has gotten its way, I can't wait to see the city fall to crime just to prove to them that we've been right all along and they were morons to not listen to US, and to HISTORY, and give up on the stupid idea that gun bans fight crime.
I'm sorry that good people, enlightened gun owners who know that it's up to them to protect themselves, will have to suffer and lose their rights and their hardware in order for the country (and the world) to see the point get made.
-blackmind
So if they take the right to bare arms to protect yourself, does that mean the the police are responsible to protect us and they are liable? Thank God I live in Florida. Our fore fathers must be spinning in their graves...I don't see this being turned over, any a trend of thing to come. Large cities first and then smaller ones, by then it will be too later to react.
Nope:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162325,00.html
You have no right to police protection, and you have no right to self-defense either.
If you get mugged you have the right to drop your pants, grab your ankles and take it up the exhaust pipe.
But this IS San Francisco we're talking about, so why should anyone be surprised. Heck maybe it is a ploy to encourage criminals to move to SF. So they can keep the jails packed and the sodomy going 24/7/365. But not many criminals were being arrested or convicted in the first place... it could put a damper on their anal aspirations.
But this IS San Francisco we're talking about, so why should anyone be surprised. Heck maybe it is a ploy to encourage criminals to move to SF. So they can keep the jails packed and the sodomy going 24/7/365. But not many criminals were being arrested or convicted in the first place... it could put a damper on their anal aspirations.
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