S.649: Reid's Base Gun Control Bill

So in a democrat majority held Senate, they couldn't even get a simple majority on the AWB or magazine capacity. What does that tell you?
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It tells me that a lot of Democrat Senators remember 1994 and don't want to become Democrat Ex-Senators anytime soon.
 
Current status: There were votes on 7 amendments to S.649 today. All required 60 votes to pass. All amendments (pro and anti) failed. The AWB and mag bans failed to achieve even 50 votes. The remaining amendments in the schedule below will not be voted on today. They may receive a vote tomorrow if Reid does not pull the bill without a vote and leave it to sit on the Senate calendar.

Manchin-Toomey amendment #715. Failed 54-46

Grassley substitute amendment consistent with the summary which is at the desk; Failed 52-48

Leahy-Collins amendment #713 (trafficking) Failed 58-42

Cornyn amendment #719 (conceal carry) Failed 57-43

Feinstein amendment #711 (assault weapons/clip bans) Failed 40-60

Burr amendment #720 (veterans/guns) Failed 56-44

Lautenberg-Blumenthal amendment #714 (high capacity clip ban) Failed 46-54

Barrasso amendment #717 (privacy) Passed 67-30

Harkin-Alexander amendment relative to mental health Passed 95-2
 
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So in a democrat majority held Senate, they couldn't even get a simple majority on the AWB or magazine capacity. What does that tell you?
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That the voice of the people were heard and they will be held accountable election day :)


Awesome to see the level of support from the people. I'll sleep good tonight, but tomorrows another day!
 
Folks, let's take a close look at those numbers and just how slim the margins really were in some cases.

The anti-gun momentum has stalled, but this isn't over.
 
The anti-gun momentum has stalled, but this isn't over.
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That's true but.... go back to the media reports in January. The totally 100% confident claims that we would see gun control in place by the end of the month. Then the end of the next month. The claims that this had "bipartisan support." For months this wasn't portrayed as something in doubt... just what would be passed. Even people here have said "something will pass."

Didn't happen.

Gregg
 
cant stop grinning, I just went outside and gave 3 of my neighbors free beers.
Please call any of your senators who voted against this and encourage them, letting them know their loyalty is appreciated.
 
he totally 100% confident claims that we would see gun control in place by the end of the month.
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Yep. It's amazing how it went from that to "this deserves a vote...please?"

Still, we're going to be seeing a lot of sneakiness with amendments, and if we have another high-profile shooting, it's back to the drawing board.
 
Also, these are amendments. The original bill is still on the floor. If Manchin-Toomey fails, but Schumer alone succeeds, we're going to REALLY regret cheering.
 
Actually, the Toomey/Manchin amendment was about the only thing that could have given the bill a chance at passage. Without it, we've just got Schumer's draconian Fix Gun Checks bill.

I just got this nastygram from the Brady Campaign:

Minutes ago, the U.S. Senate voted down the Manchin-Toomey amendment, which would have expanded criminal background checks to prevent gun violence and save lives.

This is an insult to the 90 people killed by gun violence every day and the nine-in-ten Americans who support expanded background checks.

The Senate failed to pass something that would undoubtedly make our nation safer. But the fight does not end here.
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They go on to list the phone numbers of Senators who voted "nay" on the amendment. They are going to go hard at Baucus, Heitkamp, and Begich. Now would be a good time to contact those folks and let them know how much we appreciate them sticking their necks on the line for us.
 
Without it, we've just got Schumer's draconian Fix Gun Checks bill.
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That's my point. 6 Senators flip now that Toomey-Manchin is gone, and Schumer's Fix Gun Checks Act is what we get. It's still early to celebrate.
 
This is an insult to the 90 people killed by gun violence every day and the nine-in-ten Americans who support expanded background checks.
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As always he takes the expanded background check support out of context , Stretches the numbers and in my view political spins it beyond spinning.

For those of us celebrating, we know the truth and so do the ones who voted for us today.

We want less crime as much as the next and we actually do more for making Americans safe than those bills would have by exercising old number 2.:D
 
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That's my point. 6 Senators flip now that Toomey-Manchin is gone, and Schumer's Fix Gun Checks Act is what we get. It's still early to celebrate.
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The last estimate I read was that Sen. Schumer's original bill might get 40 votes; this is why they came up with Toomey-Manchin in the first place; so it would take a lot more than 6 Senators. And it seems to be a virtual certainty that Sen. Reid will withdraw that bill rather than allow it to be defeated. (By doing so, he can bring it up again later, should he see an opportunity.)

So it's not too early to celebrate a largely defensive victory.
 
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The last estimate I read was that Sen. Schumer's original bill might get 40 votes; this is why they came up with Toomey-Manchin in the first place
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Yep. If they couldn't get 60 votes with the amendment, there's no way they're getting it without.

Bloomberg, Biden, Feinstein, and the President are absolutely melting down right now. I have to admit feeling a certain bit of schadenfreude about the whole thing.
 
Bloomberg, Biden, Feinstein, and the President are absolutely melting down right now. I have to admit feeling a certain bit of schadenfreude about the whole thing.
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Yes, I suppose we can take a moment to back slap and “figuratively” fire some celebratory volleys in the air. However, we would do well not to underestimate Mr. Obama regardless of what you may feel about him he is an excellent Politician. We need to prepare for at least three more years of this and I’m afraid the propaganda will be endless.
 
So, why the opposition to the Veterans Gun Rights Amendment 720? I can’t really understand how anyone could deny people who have been injured in service to our Country their day in Court. Was this just a result of the anti-gun crowd wanting to stick it to someone, so they picked on injured Vets?
 
It seems to me that the proper course of action, once this bill is completely destroyed, is to push as much pro-gun legislation as possible through on the federal side of things. Force the antis into playing defense for awhile. Even if it doesn't pass, if they are too busy defending, they won't be attacking.

On another note, I e-mailed Senator Begich and thanked him for his support.
 
Highly doubtful they will change Begichs mind. Alaskas Democrats lean right.
So far there is one person talking about trying to take Begichs seat, Joe Miller.
 
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