Running gun battle in Denver

Yeah, you look good in pink too. LOL
Actually, I am the taller one...but you are right, I do rock in pink. I used to wear the first pair of pink checkered vans in in my hometown and liked to wear pink ties. That is how I learned how to fight. :D
 
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It still doesn't have anything to do with the case at hand, although you were a bit thinner, I'm sure, as were we all in the day.

If the man, Gomez, has an empty gun, as quoted in the written media, he wasn't shooting at anyone. If shots were fired, as also quoted in the print-media, it's logical to presume that they came from the Durango.

There has still been no mention of a "high-speed" chase. It's just as likely that the perps SLOWED down, drawing the follower into a better range, as the chasing car overtaking the Durango. Just not enough information.

Using the IQ of many perps as a guideline, it's also possible that neither of the people handling the firearm Gomez acquired knew that the weapon wasn't loaded.

It also makes sense that the AK was left out of sight in the truck. A pistol can be shown to the victim while hiding it from ready sight. An AK is a bit harder to conceal.

Face it, it's just as easy to believe the TV media as the print-media. Neither will actually do an in-depth, as we believe it should be done, on anything where the public interest has waned.

We are now at the direct opposite situation from where we started. We've gone from:
Ummm...I am sorry but I am afraid I would consider someone that would chase a home invader down a public highway while exchanging gufire almost as big a menace as the burglar.

Now we're at:
Once again, I am not putting blame on anyone. I am asking the qiestions that ANY investigator should be asking.

I'm not picking on PP, it's just that his quotes were the easiest to follow. Too many others were also riding in to "blame" Mr. Gonzales for unsafe practices.

What a difference a few follow-up reports make.
 
I love dogs

Then on Tuesday morning, a police dog led authorities to an area underneath a vacant mobile home and forced the suspect out in the open.

"I didn't hear him say anything. He was shaking on the ground and he looked injured. He had blood on his shoulder," said witness Gary Beach.

A K-9 had bitten the suspect in the shoulder as it tried to force the suspect out, police said.

All I have to say on this.
 
It still doesn't have anything to do with the case at hand
Since there is no new information yet we cannot really go any further with the case at hand, so why not lighten the mood a little bit. I am sorry if you prefer to dwell on the unsolvable for now. I doubt there will be anything defining in the case for some time since I am betting the authorities are not considering this an open and shut case because of the odd circumstances and strange tesitmony. I am sure they are investigating.
We are now at the direct opposite situation from where we started. We've gone from:
There is nothing opposite about it. I WOULD consider someone that shot from a car window in a public area a menace. That will not change. If it turns out Garcia did such I would still condemn him for it.

As reports change it may turn out Garcia did not do as the initial report said but that does not change my opinion of anyone that would do such a thing. I made a value statement and then I sought information as to whether this person committed the offense on which I commented (as he was initially reported as doing). I did not say "Garcia is a scumbag and did wrong"...I said "I would consider someone that would chase a home invader down a public highway while exchanging gufire almost as big a menace as the burglar".

The two statements I did make are in no way contracictory. I cannot imagine why you would want to see them or portray them as such but you cleantly are mistaken.
 
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_5858540

denver & the west
Victim tails home invaders
SHOTS FIRED IN CAR CHASE
By Kirk Mitchell Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated: 05/09/2007 11:37:30 PM MDT


Ricardo Garcia had just returned to his Green Valley Ranch home Monday from an evening stroll with his wife and their 6-year-old son when there was a knock.

At the door was a man who pointed an assault rifle at him and a partner who put a pistol to his head, he said Wednesday. (That confirms that)

That led to what Garcia described as a frantic scuffle, followed by Garcia's high-speed pursuit of their fleeing vehicle, during which one of the suspects shot at Garcia. (Another confirmation)

"I was just pumped," Garcia said. "They weren't going to get away. I probably chased them for 20 minutes before police arrived."

Police confirmed Garcia's account - and said the information Garcia provided during the Monday night chase helped officers arrest the suspects. (Confirmed again)

Police arrested one suspect after they joined the chase. A second suspect was found hours later hiding at a mobile-home park.

Quinten Arnwine, 20, wanted in a Thornton murder case, and Diego F. Coto, 54, were advised in Denver court Wednesday that they were being held for investigation of attempted murder. They also could face burglary and robbery charges. (This guy's lucky to be alive as these guys were truly dangerous)

Police allege that Arnwine fatally shot Timothy Marx, 24, in an apartment parking lot Oct. 14 while robbing him during a drug deal, said Matt Barnes, Thornton police spokesman.

Garcia, an auto-body repair technician, said he grew up in a tough section of northeast Denver and often had to defend himself with his fists. His older brother, a Denver narcotics officer, helped raise him after his father died when he was 3.

"My brother taught me that ... if they get in your face, you need to defend yourself," he said.

When Garcia opened his front door about 7:30 p.m. Monday, one of the two men asked for someone Garcia didn't recognize, and then the other man pointed an assault rifle at him. (Note: Assault rifle)

"He put it in my face," Garcia said. "They yelled, 'Get down and shut the (expletive) up."'

Just then, he said, his wife grabbed their son's hand, and the two ran down the hall. As the man with the large gun chased after Garcia's wife, the other man - armed with a pistol - looked down the hall. That's when Garcia said he grabbed the pistol. (Now we know why the guy with the rifle didn't shoot. He wasn't there)

"I didn't really think about it," Garcia said. "We were tugging on the gun. I slammed him into the wall. He was a pinball. I shoved him outside and into a column. I swung him into cast-iron chairs on the porch. I then slammed him into rocks face first."

Finally the man released the gun. Garcia said he pointed the gun at the intruder and pulled the trigger. It didn't go off. (Unloaded firearm)

The other man ran out of the house. The two suspects then drove away in a Dodge Durango. Garcia said he jumped into his Cadillac Escalade barefoot and gave chase.

The other car was about a mile ahead, going west on East 48th Avenue. Garcia said he quickly caught up with the suspects - going 80 mph - because they were driving at normal speed, apparently to avoid attracting attention. (High speeds confirmed)

"When they saw me coming, they took off," he said. "They were blowing around cars and through three stop signs."

On southbound Himalaya Road, one of the intruders climbed halfway out of the Durango and fired at Garcia, he said. None of the bullets struck his Escalade.

Garcia said he backed off but still followed the Durango onto Interstate 70 and headed east into Arapahoe County. The Durango, at one point, sped up to 120 mph, he said. (So he DID back off)

The Durango crossed a grassy median, and the two vehicles drove east in the westbound lanes for a time, dodging cars, before crossing back into the eastbound lanes, Garcia said. (Finally, I agree with those who think he was stupid. THIS was stupid!)

While following, Garcia spoke to an attendant for OnStar, the General Motors auto-monitoring service, and an Arapahoe County sheriff's deputy, giving updates about where the suspects were headed, he said. (Directing police to the perps)

Garcia lost track of the suspects after they drove off of I-70 at East Colfax Avenue. But moments later, he said, the Durango sped past him on Colfax with three squad cars in pursuit.

Arapahoe County deputies at first handcuffed Garcia as they sorted out the situation, but authorities now say he is unlikely to face any charges. (Good)

Denver police spokesman John White would not comment on whether victims should chase suspects, but he did say crime victims should get as much information as they can about suspects and pass it along to police.
 
OK, and you were saying?

Short of the adrenalin-charged idiocy of heading into the on-coming, he seemed to have been brave, tough, and COMPLETELY WITHIN HIS RIGHTS.

So,
Ummm...I am sorry but I am afraid I would consider someone that would chase a home invader down a public highway while exchanging gufire almost as big a menace as the burglar.
has become a "value statement"? Sorry, but it won't wash. It was a rushed opinion, based on the usual half-truths and speculation of the MSM. I, as well as others, cautioned that the entire story wasn't known, and that this would rapidly become more of the usual disregard for the actual circumstances while defending and "explaining" what was originally posted in error to be something other than what was indicated. Voila'.

Perhaps there should be a "waiting-period" before posting on such circumstances.

That would make the Brady-Posters happy.:)
 
That would make the Brady-Posters happy.
You seem to have a very warped view of things. In your logic making a statement of holding gun owners to a criteria of responsible behavior is anti-gun???? :confused:

If you want to know what makes Brady people happy, it is seeing people support someone that uses a gun until they are forced not to do so. Makes it real easy for them to portray all gun owners as people that only care about the guns and not how they are used.

Sorry, but it won't wash. It was a rushed opinion, based on the usual half-truths and speculation of the MSM.
No, it was a value statement made in direct relation to the story at hand which made no personal attacks. I know you have your own issues with me but that does not change what I said. Nor does it change the meaning of my words so give it up. The argument you are making is very weak and not supported by my statements.

I made a statement saying I would consider a person that did such a thing a menace. I still would. Then I sated I would need to know the answers to certain questions before making a decision about Garcia. Those questions are still not officially answered since I have only seen interview pieces with Garcia and not a police report. If what he says happened actually did then I have no issues with his behavior.

One could very easily say you are very quick to defend him on just his own word without any knowledge of the situation.

Which do you think the Brady's would have more fun with...

"Gun owner's want answers to Garcia's behavior" or "Gun owners blindly support hostile man"
 
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The only thing that he seems to have done egregiously wrong is driving eastbound in the westbound lanes for a distance. The only headline I believe we will see on this is "MAWWD (Mothers Against Wrong Way Drivers) want answers to Garcia's actions."
 
One could very easily say you are very quick to defend him on just his own word without any knowledge of the situation.

Oh, please. I cautioned patience, making the point that those who hastened to point fingers, and pontificate on what was, and wasn't, done needed to wait for the truth. I didn't have to defend anyone, nor did I. Besides, you could have just as easily been said (which is true) to condemn him on just his word, without any knowledge of the situation.

Explain what you will. In the context of the thread, your "value judgement" could only have been made about Mr. Gonzalez. You and I both know it, as does everyone else reading this. I really don't have any issues with you, beyond your obsession with defending statements you make that are proven to be wrong.

As I postulated in an earlier post, it's the usual. Here we have devolved from a discussion of an event to the usual same posters defending hasty judgemnts via parsing definitions ad nauseum.

It appears to be pretty much over. As more information has become available , the pendulum has swung. Perhaps next time, hasty judgements will be reserved for the whole story?:)
 
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