JuanCarlos
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You've probably got a point there, JR47. I'll probably leave this one alone for a little while until at least a few more details come out.
almost as big a menace as the burglar
The wild west is still alive
We hire the police and equip them with a variety of tools and training and legal immunities so that we don't have to run down home invaders ourselves.
I don't think it smart.
You do not return wild fire from a moving vehicle in a public area
Life is not an action movie. Every round fired is a chance that somebody who is neither you nor the bad guy dies.
turning it into a gun battle from the window of a moving car in a public area is not a good idea no matter how you look at it.
shooting and driving, I would think would be an even bigger no no
Sometimes you have to ask yourself if risking a stray bullet hitting an innocent bystander is worth being Rambo for a day.
accept that they got away but that you're okay.
Or maybe it sounds like a bunch of level headed gun owners spoke up when another gun owner did something irresponsible. Just as owning a gun does not make a person a crazed killer; owning one also does not mean you are of sound judgement.Gee, it sounded like the Brady Bunch came in here and started posting the "You have the police to protect you"; "Call 911"; "Give them what they want"; "Don't resist"; Innocent bystanders could die"; mantra. All that was left out was the 43:1 Kellerman study.
We all say that we have firearms to protect us because the cops are never there when the round is in the air. Here we have a guy who didn't wait for the pizza and he gets derided by those who post here on how wrongly he acted.
Suspect found hiding under mobile home day after break-in, chase
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AURORA - A second suspect was arrested Tuesday morning after police say he was involved in a home invasion, chase and shoot-out Monday evening.
The suspect, whose name has not been released, was found hiding underneath a mobile home in the Fox Ridge Farms Mobile Home Park. Police say they arrested him at around 9:40 a.m.
Residents of the park had been called and told to stay indoors as Denver Police continued their search at daybreak Tuesday.
The man was on the run after a Monday evening home invasion, chase and shoot-out involving him, another suspect and a homeowner.
The Aurora Police Department says one of the suspects was arrested Monday evening.
The situation started at around 7:30 p.m. Monday when a home in the 21000 block of 50th Avenue was broken into. Police say the victim called them to report the intrusion after confronting the suspect.
The victim says the suspect then drove off in a red Dodge Durango. After seeing the suspect flee, the homeowner took off in his own car and started chasing the suspect while on the phone with police.
According to the Arapahoe County Sheriff, shots were exchanged between both men as they drove near I-70 and Tower Road. Deputies say neither was hurt.
The car pursuit ended when the suspect crashed his SUV and ran off near the Fox Ridge Farms Mobile Home Park. Police closed off the area around the park that evening and began their search.
Denver Police continued the search Tuesday and after arresting the suspect he was taken to Denver Health Medical Center with minor injuries.
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Once the perps where away and no longer a threat to him or his property he was no longer protecting himself. he crossed the line from empowered citizen to vigilanty.
You are making alot of assumptions. Like that the perps would have gotten away if had not chased them.In your world, he should have unleashed them on an unsuspecting public. In my world, he stopped a serious threat to that public.
Noone passed judgement on his skill with a firearm. They said what he did seemed irresponsible. None of the info you highlighted in bold type shows me in anyway why he should be driving down a road firing from a car window. Does he know what was potentially in front of each missed shot?those who gather here ascribe to him no skills in firearms and how he was irresponsible without knowing a single iota about him.
Noone passed judgement on his skill with a firearm.
They said what he did seemed irresponsible.
None of the info you highlighted in bold type shows me in anyway why he should be driving down a road firing from a car window. Does he know what was potentially in front of each missed shot?
Was Joel Myrick wrong when he retreived his firearm and stopped Luke Woodham at Pearl High School? His firearm could have discharged and hit an innocent bystander. Yet we cheered his actions here.
Were the students at the Apellachian School of Law irresponsible? Their firearm could have discharged and hit an innocent bystander. Yet we cheered their actions here.
Was the business owner who stopped the school shooting in PA irresponsible? His firearm could have discharged and hit an innocent bystander. Yet we cheered his actions here.
If the area was so remote how did the perps flee on foot "near a mobile home park" after crashing the vehicle? Do people that live in trailers not count? I have some relatives that might give reason to support that line of thinking.
Pennsylvania students cope with shooting spree
1 dead; 3 wounded; 14-year-old charged
EDINBORO, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Students and teachers at a northwestern Pennsylvania middle school met with counselors Saturday, trying to come to terms with a shooting spree at a graduation dance Friday night that left a popular teacher dead and three others wounded.
A 14-year-old Parker Middle School student, Andrew Jerome Wurst, of nearby McKean, has been charged with one count of criminal homicide and three counts of aggravated assault in connection with the shootings. He is being held without bond in the Erie County Jail, and authorities say they will try him as an adult.
"The community is just shocked and simply just can't believe what has happened," said Clifford Allen, the mayor of Edinboro, a town of 6,000 people about 100 miles (160 kilometers) north of Pittsburgh. Flags were lowered to half-staff Saturday.
Edinboro becomes the fourth small American community to be rocked by a fatal school shooting within the past year, joining a grim list that includes Pearl, Mississippi, West Paducah, Kentucky and Jonesboro, Arkansas.
Witness: 'We heard a bang'
At about 9:40 p.m. EDT on Friday, police say Wurst, armed with a.25-caliber handgun registered to his father, shot science teacher John Gillette, 48, on the patio of a restaurant where a dance was being held for 240 students. He then walked inside and fired several shots, fleeing the scene through a rear exit, police say.
"We were all dancing and having a great time, and we heard a bang and everybody thought it was a balloon or firecracker," said Trysta Nagy, an eighth-grade student. "And I heard people yelling, 'Get down, get down.'"
"I didn't see the shot, but I heard it, and then another," said Lucien Haury, another Parker student. "About 10 or 12 of us then piled into a closet."
Gillette, who was shot in the head, died at the scene. Two 14-year-old boys were wounded by gunfire and treated and released from a local hospital. A female teacher was grazed by a bullet but did not require hospital treatment.
Girls in satin dresses and boys in ties huddled together after the shooting, many sobbing. The theme of the dance had been "I've Had the Time of My Life."
Restaurant owner apprehends boy
The restaurant's owner, James Strand, armed with a shotgun, pursued Wurst and persuaded him to give up his weapon and surrender in a nearby field, police say.
"We don't know a motive at this time, but we're exploring a couple of different avenues," said Mark Zaleski, a spokesman for the Pennsylvania State Police. A student told the Morning News in nearby Erie that Wurst had said he was going to make the dance "memorable."
In addition to the homicide and aggravated assault charges, Wurst has also been charged with three counts of reckless endangerment, two firearms violations and possession of a controlled substance. Police say he had a small amount of marijuana when he was apprehended.
Zaleski said Wurst's mother was with him Saturday at the jail where he is being held.
Under Pennsylvania law, juveniles are automatically charged as adults when the crime is homicide, said Cpl. Kirby Ames of the state police. However, he said that could change after court hearings are held in the case.
"Now it's up to the courts to go through the hearing process to determine if they're going to keep processing him as an adult and try him as an adult or if they're going to try him as a juvenile," Ames said.
Slain teacher a 27-year veteran
Gillette, married with three children, had been a teacher for 27 years and once coached high school football. He was a faculty adviser to Parker's student council and helped organize Friday's dance.
"He was really dedicated," said Dennis Kitchen, a fellow teacher, who said Gillette had been talking about retirement. "He's the one that started these dances in the first place."
"He was the best football coach I ever had,' said Bill O'Brien, 27, whose mother was Gillette's neighbor. "You see this happening on TV, but you never expect it to happen in your own backyard."
Reuters contributed to this report.
You are making alot of assumptions. Like that the perps would have gotten away if had not chased them.
Not familiar with the third, but I know that in the first two there are a couple huge differences; those people never pulled the trigger, ...
However, it must still be remembered that there were those who tried to get Myrick fired because "What kind of man would pull a gun on one of his students?" Honest. That really happened.
Following the subjects to report their travel is fine. When speeds become excessive it's time to back off. If they start firing at you, it's time to back off.