Ruger customer service: Don't carry a loaded LCP II

Glock leg exists because of negligence and the sheer prevalence of the pistol. I've seen plenty of firearms handling among officers that scares me, regardless of the design.
 
But...But....I thought our safety was between our ears...or was that "my safety is my index finger" ???
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I'm going to respond to the comment but without weighing in on the safety of the LCP design.

That presumes a gun design that won't go off as long as a person doesn't pull the trigger. It's a different story if the gun will fire even when the trigger isn't pulled.
 
eak1999 said:
I have owned an LCP II for about 5 months now. The whole reason I am on this site is because during cleaning and inspection, I looked for the firing pin block and discovered that there was not one. I assumed all striker fired pistols included a firing pin block safety.
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The LCP is not a striker fired gun.


"From a safety standpoint, the LCP II lacks any type of passive firing pin safety. The pistol’s hammer and sear engagement is very robust when fully cocked, negating the need for an internal firing pin block. Just to be safe, Ruger engineers did add a second sear engagement point on the hammer (similar to the half-cock position on a 1911) that will catch the hammer in case the sear receives a sufficient shock that might jar the hammer loose. In factory testing, Ruger found the primary sear engagement was so good that the sear actually had to be machined away in order to test the secondary engagement."

It's not clear to me exactly what this second sear engagement point is and whether it would provide an equivalent level of safety as a firing pin block. I'll try to study the hammer and sear more the next time I have the gun apart.
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That presumes a gun design that won't go off as long as a person doesn't pull the trigger. It's a different story if the gun will fire even when the trigger isn't pulled.
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Is dropping a gun really less careless than getting the trigger caught on your shirt as you holster it? I think they are in the same ballpark of things not to do. Never trust any safety...that includes drop safeties.

Having said that, I like safeties and would definitely not be carrying this...then again I won't carry anything without a manual safety. Our minds are not designed to be perfect, especially if we are tired, sick, stressed, etc when accidents are more likely. We have all had our moments when we have forgotten where we put our wallet or car keys or walked into a room and couldn't remember what we needed. Our minds are far from perfect, which is why I don't trust anyone's.
 
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adamBomb said:
Is dropping a gun really less careless than getting the trigger caught on your shirt as you holster it? I think they are in the same ballpark of things not to do. Never trust any safety...that includes drop safeties.
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Keep in mind that "dropping" a gun does not necessarily mean it was separated from its owner. You could fall off a motorcycle or down a flight of stairs, or get struck with a heavy object that impacts your holstered pistol. In all of these cases, you should be confident that the gun will not fire. And what prevents a pistol from firing in these situations is internal drop safeties.

I consider proper mechanical drop safeties to be absolutely required in a carry handgun. Drop safeties provide critical protection in dynamic real world situations, they are not just protection against carelessness.
 
.then again I won't carry anything without a manual safety.
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Leaves out a lot of perfectly good guns. I am opposite, I won't carry one with manual safeties; in the heat of the moment, all I want to do is point and shoot. My Glocks, Kahrs, LCP, P7, revolvers, all have no manual safety and I carry all of them.
 
All this hand wringing about strikers, trigger dinguses, etc.
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I'm not wringing my hands, nor are many others. For that matter whether DA/SA or not a firing pin block is pretty standard these days.
 
Don't you see where this is coming from?

First, Ruger copies an existing design. They make it look better, make it slightly bigger, and make it heavier. Heavy is good to most people-think "marketing."

Then they "improve the trigger pull" by making it a single action gun. Well, of course they "improved" the trigger pull over a D/A gun! Marketing again. Most non-gun people don't understand why they "need" a D/A carry pistol-they just like the single action trigger pull because it's easier to shoot. It's also easier to shoot yourself with this "improved" gun!
 
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Wow, ya know those planets that aligned a couple times recently. The ones Hal mentioned when he agreed with me.
Well, they done lined up once more...I agree with something Bill just said!:D
 
Another LCP owner that would not trade for an LCP II. The new model is bulkier, heavier, uglier and now also less safe.
 
adamBomb said:
Is dropping a gun really less careless than getting the trigger caught on your shirt as you holster it? I think they are in the same ballpark of things not to do. Never trust any safety...that includes drop safeties.

Having said that, I like safeties and would definitely not be carrying this...then again I won't carry anything without a manual safety. Our minds are not designed to be perfect, especially if we are tired, sick, stressed, etc when accidents are more likely. We have all had our moments when we have forgotten where we put our wallet or car keys or walked into a room and couldn't remember what we needed. Our minds are far from perfect, which is why I don't trust anyone's.
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I don't have the LCPII but when I carry my LCP I put it into a pocket holster then I put both together into my pocket. If I draw the gun out I take the holster out of my pocket and repeat the process. This way there is nothing to catch on the trigger like a shirt. The trigger is covered when the gun goes in my pocket. As for a safety the gun is too small for me to be fumbling with a safety after drawing it. I'm fine with it the way it is.
 
I have owned a LCP since they first came out. The original with the long trigger pull, then the Gen 2. In the 10 years of owing them, I developed a niche for shooting pocket guns, which I do weekly. I train with them often and believe if you can shoot one well, then you pretty much can shoot most guns fairly accurate as well.
I have owned 4 LCP's. During that time, I also had sent a number of them back for repairs or replacements. Mostly due to the build quality. Cheap aluminum chassis's etc. that would invariably result in cracked frames, split rails, broken down take down pins etc.
I was really disappointed when Ruger came out with the LCP ll. It really was IMO a gun for the Marketing crowd. A few cosmetic differences, a last round lock back and a insane trigger for a pocket gun.
They did nothing to improve on the quality of the gun. I thought for sure they were going to come out with a all stainless steel chassis, modular design, and make it a tank, like Ruger is so well known for making.
Basically they are "Throw away guns". Shoot them often, it breaks and then just replace.
When I first shot the New LCP ll, I knew I did not need any manual to see that the gun was just downright unsafe to carry. Why would Ruger take a good design with a nice trigger like the Gen 2, and put that crazy trigger on the new gun? Man they screwed that one up. On a pocket gun?
It was obvious they were going after the Newbie crowd, and using Marketing over quality.
I felt that the new trigger was weird right away, a crazy free play, then a short take up and then a quick bang. The Older Gen 2 had a nice smooth pull, deliberate all the way through. Not so with the new model.
I moved on to other Pocket guns, which actually turned out to be a good thing in my case. But it was not long after shooting the LCP ll that I saw this notice below. Man, he was right on with the safety of this gun and I shared his sediments entirely.
Each to his own, but as a Ruger fan for other guns, I turned away from LCP's. Just found better built guns and better shooting Pocket guns. I Personally would not own a LCP ll if you gave me one. Just not safe.
Here is the notice below.
http://www.unclegeorgeswalletholsters.com/Pages/LCPIIWARNING.aspx
 
Y'all badmouth the LCP all you want. Just stay away from my DAO LCR, or it'll be on like a chickenbone. Anything wrong with it, BTW?
 
LCP half cock position

The Ruger LCP2 is actually only half cocked when the slide is engaged to chamber a round.
I never carry any fire arm with a round in the chamber UNLESS the gun has a manual safety which I always have engaged. I don't go infor the BS that manual safeties can be a dangerous delay when the gun is actually needed.
The US military understands safety with firearms n the Beretta M9 is one of the safest hand guns on the planet ( and my home protection preference.

The handguns I carry for CC self defense....I practice with so much ...muscle memory every time I draw disengaging the safety is automatic and simultaneous with removing from. Holster.
 
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