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Ruger customer service: Don't carry a loaded LCP II
- Thread starter Powernoodle
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There is no way I would carry a cocked SINGLE ACTION pistol in my pocket-especially with that Glock trigger dingus that has already proven to be dangerous.
Does that include a 1911 in condition one?
Bill DeShivs
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Because the dingus is passed off as a SAFETY.
And, I cant get a 1911 in my pocket. If I could, it has a real safety-unlike the Ruger.
And, I cant get a 1911 in my pocket. If I could, it has a real safety-unlike the Ruger.
Deaf Smith
New member
The hammer on the LCP is fully concealed and it is NOT fully cocked when a round is chambered.
I see no reason to worry about this design.
Deaf
I see no reason to worry about this design.
Deaf
It is a safety. It functions as a drop safety for one thing and also reduces the chances of a trigger snag for another.Because the dingus is passed off as a SAFETY.
It is not a manual safety or a firing-pin safety, or a grip safety, but it is certainly a safety.
Lawyer talk is one thing. Saying it's not recommended to carry a round chambered is on another level. I can't think of a manual that I have with that warning, but I can check I suppose
For all the decades I've been around Hunter Safety and many firearms manuals have always advised to only chamber a round when you are about to shoot.
Few people DO it, particularly with a defensive pistol, but it is still always advised...
lee n. field
New member
The hammer on the LCP is fully concealed and it is NOT fully cocked when a round is chambered.
Ruger (last I looked) says the LCP II is a "single action pistol".
For all the decades I've been around Hunter Safety and many firearms manuals have always advised to only chamber a round when you are about to shoot.
Right but I think we can agree there's a difference between hunting and self defense. If I miss a shot on a deer or similar because I had to chamber a round that's a bad day, but not life ending (excluding the starvation argument). In a self defense situation you may well not have the time to chamber a round and your bad day could end up with you dead.
That said you may be right this is more of a common warning than I'm giving credit for.
Bartholomew Roberts
Moderator
It seems if any pistol would need a firing pin block, it would be one that is designed for pocket carry. Is there some engineering reason why that isn't practical on a small pistol? Having a pistol slip out of a pocket isn't unheard of - and a firing pin block offers more security that way than a firing pin spring.
Right but I think we can agree there's a difference between hunting and self defense.
oh absolutely, BUT,...safety advice is always safety advice, whether it actually applies/is PRACTICAL in your specific situation, or not. No matter what you do, or don't do, they can go back and say "we told you not to do that" and so not be to blame for YOUR (or my) actions.
Ruger has got to be more than a bit lawsuit conscious. The entire "new model" Blackhawk (transfer bar) action is the result of a lawsuit.
Every gun has a risk of firing, if dropped, if there is a round in the chamber. Every gun. Always been that way, always will be.
All the various mechanical systems, used to prevent this reduce that risk, sometimes almost completely, BUT they cannot reduce it to absolute zero, as long as there is a round in the chamber.
Something Hunter Safety and others teach, NEVER TRUST A MECHANICAL SAFETY. Meaning, of course, that anything mechanical can, and sometimes WILL FAIL. The odds may be incredibly small but they DO exist, and people win the lottery, and get hit by lightning.
I know of a couple of guns that fired when the safety was put ON!!! I've had some that fired when the safety was taken OFF. (and got them repaired)
I don't know the gun in question from personal experience, and I won't even begin to second guess Ruger about why they built what they built. All I can say with surety is, if it bothers you, get something else.
Not a very satisfying answer, I admit, but a real world one. When you ask a gun company about something they are ALWAYS going to reply with the answer that benefits them the most.
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For all the decades I've been around Hunter Safety and many firearms manuals have always advised to only chamber a round when you are about to shoot.
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Right but I think we can agree there's a difference between hunting and self defense.
On occasion, I've read where some hunters never hunt game with a loaded chamber and will admonish those that do. Which always makes me wonder if they've ever hunted grouse or quail because, if you hunt these evil birds with an empty chamber, best that you plan on hitting the local Krogers on the way back to camp to get some hotdogs for supper.
Likewise, carrying a gun intended for self-defense with an empty chamber would probably entail suffering a worse consequence than going hungry that evening if you ever needed to use it.
Which always makes me wonder if they've ever hunted grouse or quail because, if you hunt these evil birds with an empty chamber, best that you plan on hitting the local Krogers on the way back to camp to get some hotdogs for supper.
Depends on the gun type - with a break open, the chambers can be loaded and the action broken open. That style doesn't work well with a SD pocket gun however.
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Which always makes me wonder if they've ever hunted grouse or quail because, if you hunt these evil birds with an empty chamber, best that you plan on hitting the local Krogers on the way back to camp to get some hotdogs for supper.
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Depends on the gun type - with a break open, the chambers can be loaded and the action broken open.
Depends on nothing, really. I defy anyone to load any type of shotgun being carried with an empty chamber(s); bring it to the shoulder; find your target and hit a flushing grouse in the typical habitat/coverts you find them at. Like I said, if you're planning on having grouse to eat for supper and you're hunting them with a gun having no shells in the chamber but don't want to go hungry at the end of the day, break out the wieners.
I easily carry my SxS with rounds in the chambers and the gun broken open so i can easily carry it.
We were talking about guns being carried with empty chambers. But I can only imagine the debris that would find its way into the action of my double if I carried it broken, even with shells in it.. But maybe we hunt in different kinds of terrain. I hunt the cedar swamps and alder thickets where "pats" are found in, in the typical coverts of upper Michigan.
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not a big deal; but this is about a Ruger LCPII
I was responding to 44 AMP's post.
It seems if any pistol would need a firing pin block, it would be one that is designed for pocket carry. Is there some engineering reason why that isn't practical on a small pistol? Having a pistol slip out of a pocket isn't unheard of - and a firing pin block offers more security that way than a firing pin spring.
I agree with your sentiment. I have no qualms with shooting or carrying a 70 series 1911 with no firing pin block, but barring that any other gun I own I would prefer to have one. A 1911 OWB is much different than the pocket-sized LCP II.
As to mechanical limitations, a Sig P290 isn't much bigger than an LCP, is chambered in 9mm, and has an active firing pin block. The Kahr PM/CM series also has an effective firing pin block. Again, not much bigger than a LCP.
Deaf Smith, the LCP II has a new design of trigger and hammer. It is not the same as the LCP.
In the LCP II the hammer seems to be all the way back when loaded. I looked and don't remember seeing any movement of the hammer when I pulled the trigger, until it dropped. No moving back to full-cocked position like I had with my LCP Custom.
Bart Noir
In the LCP II the hammer seems to be all the way back when loaded. I looked and don't remember seeing any movement of the hammer when I pulled the trigger, until it dropped. No moving back to full-cocked position like I had with my LCP Custom.
Bart Noir