Ron Paul, anyone?

The events of September 11th were in large part the fault of the government. People may not like to hear the truth but Dr. Paul had the guts to speak it.

I prefer those who speak the truth and stand up for what they believe than those who uphold the status quo or the party line.
 
Holy Crap...Ron Paul is winning the Fox text poll!!!!! He has 30% Telling the truth is paying off!!! Make sure to call 36988 and text "R7" before 12:30 pm EST!!!
YES!!!!
 
Hey Little Wolf, no need to cross-post into all three threads. We get it. Ron Paul is running, and the best thing since sliced bread. ;)

Yeah, SecDef, I find it interesting the response Ron Paul can get to such comments...especially when you know (because we've seen it) exactly what kind of response anybody but a Libertarian would get from many of the exact same people. Especially if it was *gasp* a Democrat that said the same.

Interestingly, while I missed the debate this evening his foreign policy comments seem pretty popular among many liberals/Democrats...though of course most aren't fond of his stances on domestic issues.
 
Interestingly, while I missed the debate this evening his foreign policy comments seem pretty popular among many liberals/Democrats...though of course most aren't fond of his stances on domestic issues.
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He's the first Republican I would vote for in the last 20 years. Hope he lasts long enough to be an option. Hope if he doesn't make it through the primaries he goes all lieberman and finds a way to run as an independent.

Even if he doesn't become president, what he has to say is worth being heard by the american people from all sides of the aisle.
 
Thunderhawk,
You're probably better off backing Giuliani; somebody who will tell you the handbasket is really headed for Atlanta. It'll still be headed the same way, but at least you'll feel better about it.
 
BTW...Ron Paul never said that September 11th was our fault...he simply states that US foreign policy has contributed to an overwhelming feeling of anger in the world toward our nation.

I submit that September 11th is not OUR fault..but it may be the fault of the government and it's failed policies.

The distinction being that the majority of Americans did NOT vote for Shrub....it's not OUR government at all. It was imposed upon us by a vocal minority.
 
Sorry Danzig. The majority of those voting, voted for Bush. First time and the second time. Get over it already.

Babbob, yes, militarily, we were winning (had won?). Right up to the point where Congress started calling the shots.... Then we lost. Kinda the same thing that the Congress is wanting to do now.
 
Damn Antipitas...did I touch a nerve? Assuming that the vote wasn't rigged...then on a good day maybe 25% of the people voted for him. I will NOT refuse to consider those who did not vote, because they are citizens of this country and they have a myriad reasons for not having voted. Apathy is only one of those potential reasons. So..if only about half the eligible voters did so..and Shrub got slightly more than half of the votes..then he speaks (at best) for a minority of Americans.
 
Damn Antipitas...did I touch a nerve? Assuming that the vote wasn't rigged...then on a good day maybe 25% of the people voted for him. I will NOT refuse to consider those who did not vote, because they are citizens of this country and they have a myriad reasons for not having voted. Apathy is only one of those potential reasons. So..if only about half the eligible voters did so..and Shrub got slightly more than half of the votes..then he speaks (at best) for a minority of Americans.
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If they didn't vote for whatever reason, that's their own fault and they forfeit their right to complain. I was 8000 miles out of the country and managed to vote.
I like to call it a practical learning experience when you do something stupid and it hurts, it's especially nice if it hurts for a long while. Not voting in two elections in a row and the guy you hate wins both, that's a practical learning experience of monumental proportions and those people should probably be put on life support because they probably can't breathe and walk at the same time.
 
Not voting in two elections in a row and the guy you hate wins both, that's a practical learning experience of monumental proportions and those people should probably be put on life support because they probably can't breath and walk at the same time.
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So those people that DID vote him twice and hate him qualify as some kind of moss? :D
 
So those people that DID vote him twice and hate him qualify as some kind of moss?
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No, but at least you can b^&** about him knowing you had something to do with the process and didn't just decide not voting was a better option. If you feel you made the wrong choice, better luck next time:D :D
 
Danzig said:
Damn Antipitas...did I touch a nerve?
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Not at all. I didn't vote for him the first time around. I did the second time. Considering my utter disdain for Kerry, I could do no less.

Regardless, It's been what? 6 1/2 years and some of you are still moaning that Bush didn't actually win the majority vote? Not only did he win the majority vote (both times) but. more importantly, he won the electoral college! - Which for the Constitutionally impaired, means that the people do not directly elect the executive. This country was never designed to be a democracy. But I suspect you know all of this, anyway.

My overall point being that those who choose not to vote, have no say whatsoever in the results of elections. Of any type. Nor should they be counted as participating in such elections. Their choice.
 
My overall point being that those who choose not to vote, have no say whatsoever in the results of elections. Of any type. Nor should they be counted as participating in such elections. Their choice.
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They need to put another option on ballots.

Something like "I wouldn't vote for any of these jackasses.".

Then my vote would count.
 
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They need to put "None of the Above" on every ballot..then everyone will have at least one option worth voting for.
 
The best way to not vote in a Presidential election is to show up to the polls, vote in a Senate election or for some state legislation you support, then turn your ballot in with the Presidential part left blank. Statistically you will be included in the patriotic citizens that exercised their right to vote, but at the same time you will have the satisfaction of knowing that at least you didn't get suckered into picking the lesser of two evils.
 
The best way to not vote in a Presidential election is to show up to the polls, vote in a Senate election or for some state legislation you support, then turn your ballot in with the Presidential part left blank. Statistically you will be included in the patriotic citizens that exercised their right to vote, but at the same time you will have the satisfaction of knowing that at least you didn't get suckered into picking the lesser of two evils.
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The problem with this is your vote gets counted as undecided.

My decision is very decided. I decided no one on the ballot was worthy of my vote.

I truly feel there should be an option. Something like "None of the candidates on this ballot deserve my vote.".
 
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