Frank,
This will be my last post on this thread. We have covered all the points
and disagree. I have received e-mails to stop wrangling with you and
to be more considerate of Rich’s bandwidth and other TFLers’ patience.
So I’m giving you the last word. Don’t abuse it.
-------
To respond to your post for the record, Frank:
- I’m not a Democrat.
- I’m not anti-gun. So I will vote for neither of the two major parties.
- My views on sex are none of your business and irrelevant to our
discussion of gun control.
- I am against taxation - which means I am against both the
Democrats AND the Republicans.
Stick to gun control, Frank. Don’t make sideways implications you feel
you can deny under pressure. “Spirit of Debate”, Frank. You
understand.
-------
Now, for the entry we hope will be my last:
By forsaking their Republican ideals, these so-called Republicans left
us - you, me, millions of other voters (especially gun owners). All
they did was take the name with them.
Republican Party platform: They publicize their party platform
and then disregard it in the name of compromise. Senator Smith
explained that in his resignation speech.
((quote))
"We defend the constitutional right to keep and bear arms," says the
platform of the Republican Party, but vote after vote, day after day,
that right is eroded with Republican support. I announced my
intention to filibuster the gun control bill. Not only does it violate the
Republican platform, but it violates the Constitution itself, which I took
an oath to support and defend.
Then I hear my own party is planning to work with the other side to
allow more gun control to be steamrolled through the Congress which
violates our platform. Not only does it violate our platform, it insults
millions and millions of law-abiding peaceful gun owners in this
country whose rights we have an obligation to protect under the
Constitution.
((unquote))
For the entire speech, go to:
http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=12204&messageid=932023940
The Republican party is the second biggest gun control political
party in America. They are second only to the Democrats - with whom
the Republicans have guaranteed to compromise and to support
further gun control measures.
http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/Forum10/HTML/001196.html
I will not vote for gun control - even watered-down gun control.
Most Republicans want gun control just like the Democrats only the
Republicans don’t want to be caught in the act! So they call it
compromise. Their goals are so very similar I regard them as one
party - the Republocrats.
Any difference between the parties has become a matter of timing
rather than goals, policy, or vision. They both want to form a
paternalistic government to rule us as mere "subjects". They're
playing a national-level game of "good cop/bad cop" for the benefit of
those who fall for it.
So I am not splitting the Republican Party, Frank. I’m splitting the
Republocrat Party.
The Libertarians, or some other party, must fill the vacuum created
when the Republicans became Democrats.
You say that voting for gun rights guarantees a loss of gun rights?
Whether you vote Republican or Democrat you WILL lose gun
rights. If the Democrats do it faster than the Republicans,
perhaps Americans will awaken to the dangers of the Republocrats and
choose freedom rather than tyranny.
Besides, Frank, the frustrating part for me is that we could avoid all
this contention. If you and I joined with all other gun owners, we
could restore our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. Eighty million
gun owners would be an irresistible force! It is those who vote for the
Republocrats who are destroying America. I refuse to fall for the good
cop/bad cop crap yet again. I refuse to vote Republocrat as you
advocate.
I will vote for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 18, 1999).]
This will be my last post on this thread. We have covered all the points
and disagree. I have received e-mails to stop wrangling with you and
to be more considerate of Rich’s bandwidth and other TFLers’ patience.
So I’m giving you the last word. Don’t abuse it.
-------
To respond to your post for the record, Frank:
- I’m not a Democrat.
- I’m not anti-gun. So I will vote for neither of the two major parties.
- My views on sex are none of your business and irrelevant to our
discussion of gun control.
- I am against taxation - which means I am against both the
Democrats AND the Republicans.
Stick to gun control, Frank. Don’t make sideways implications you feel
you can deny under pressure. “Spirit of Debate”, Frank. You
understand.
-------
Now, for the entry we hope will be my last:
By forsaking their Republican ideals, these so-called Republicans left
us - you, me, millions of other voters (especially gun owners). All
they did was take the name with them.
Republican Party platform: They publicize their party platform
and then disregard it in the name of compromise. Senator Smith
explained that in his resignation speech.
((quote))
"We defend the constitutional right to keep and bear arms," says the
platform of the Republican Party, but vote after vote, day after day,
that right is eroded with Republican support. I announced my
intention to filibuster the gun control bill. Not only does it violate the
Republican platform, but it violates the Constitution itself, which I took
an oath to support and defend.
Then I hear my own party is planning to work with the other side to
allow more gun control to be steamrolled through the Congress which
violates our platform. Not only does it violate our platform, it insults
millions and millions of law-abiding peaceful gun owners in this
country whose rights we have an obligation to protect under the
Constitution.
((unquote))
For the entire speech, go to:
http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=12204&messageid=932023940
The Republican party is the second biggest gun control political
party in America. They are second only to the Democrats - with whom
the Republicans have guaranteed to compromise and to support
further gun control measures.
http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/Forum10/HTML/001196.html
I will not vote for gun control - even watered-down gun control.
Most Republicans want gun control just like the Democrats only the
Republicans don’t want to be caught in the act! So they call it
compromise. Their goals are so very similar I regard them as one
party - the Republocrats.
Any difference between the parties has become a matter of timing
rather than goals, policy, or vision. They both want to form a
paternalistic government to rule us as mere "subjects". They're
playing a national-level game of "good cop/bad cop" for the benefit of
those who fall for it.
So I am not splitting the Republican Party, Frank. I’m splitting the
Republocrat Party.
The Libertarians, or some other party, must fill the vacuum created
when the Republicans became Democrats.
You say that voting for gun rights guarantees a loss of gun rights?
Whether you vote Republican or Democrat you WILL lose gun
rights. If the Democrats do it faster than the Republicans,
perhaps Americans will awaken to the dangers of the Republocrats and
choose freedom rather than tyranny.
Besides, Frank, the frustrating part for me is that we could avoid all
this contention. If you and I joined with all other gun owners, we
could restore our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. Eighty million
gun owners would be an irresistible force! It is those who vote for the
Republocrats who are destroying America. I refuse to fall for the good
cop/bad cop crap yet again. I refuse to vote Republocrat as you
advocate.
I will vote for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 18, 1999).]