Remember the problem is illegal ALIENS...
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How are we going to get out of this mess WITHOUT some kind of "National ID" card? We (the states) give illeagals (undocumented..whatever) driver's licences, housing, food, medical care, even, I hear, education, all at the cost of the taxpayers. What taxes do Illeagals pay? Sales tax, gas tax, but I don't think anything much else. Maybe this is a reason to go with a National Sales tax, and abolish all the others. At least that way, everyone would pay "their fair share".
I love the quote from the good Roosevelt. The problem is that these people come here to work (at least most), but they don't come here to become "Americans". Many, who can, refuse to speak English. And they don't have to. We bend over backwards to help them. What other country in the world does this? Any?
If we wind up with a national Id card, what good will that do us? And what harm will that do us? Don't think for a moment that whatever ID there is won't be able to be forged.
I don't have any good answers, everything I can think of would be called cruel, or mean spirited. But I fear if some "mean spirited" things aren't done, we are all going to suffer worse then we are now.
How are we going to get out of this mess WITHOUT some kind of "National ID" card? We (the states) give illeagals (undocumented..whatever) driver's licences, housing, food, medical care, even, I hear, education, all at the cost of the taxpayers. What taxes do Illeagals pay? Sales tax, gas tax, but I don't think anything much else. Maybe this is a reason to go with a National Sales tax, and abolish all the others. At least that way, everyone would pay "their fair share".
I love the quote from the good Roosevelt. The problem is that these people come here to work (at least most), but they don't come here to become "Americans". Many, who can, refuse to speak English. And they don't have to. We bend over backwards to help them. What other country in the world does this? Any?
If we wind up with a national Id card, what good will that do us? And what harm will that do us? Don't think for a moment that whatever ID there is won't be able to be forged.
I don't have any good answers, everything I can think of would be called cruel, or mean spirited. But I fear if some "mean spirited" things aren't done, we are all going to suffer worse then we are now.
Since they weren't documented the wages they were paid couldn't be written off as expense, thus we paid taxes on that money as if they'd never been hired. In most cases the client would be paying extra to get their stuff done quicker or I'd be paying these guys out of my own pocket. Yeah, I've broken the law before but I highly doubt you've gone your entire life without doing the same. Ever gone over the limit? Are all laws just or would you willingly break the law if your favorite gun was suddenly banned? Hell, I've skirted paying SS taxes myself because I feel it's an unjust system of forced wealth redistribution, the benefits of which I will never see in my lifetime.
Not all laws are just, my friend.
My type of work is an IT administrator for a neurology practice.
But my previous type of work, landscaping, most certainly will give an adult a living wage. The majority of the guys that worked for me supported a wife and kids off what I paid them, and did very well. One of the hardest working Bermudans made more than I did because he busted ass over 80 hours a week (most of my Bermudans were illegal too 
). If the guys I hired worked hard enough, they were hired again. If they worked extra hard they got paid extra. But not a single one was ever asked to do anything I hadn't done myself - and I was 19/20 at the time!
Slave drive? Some of these guys bought brand spanking new trucks after a year of working for the company! Ten an hour was the minimum, plenty of water and all the equipment provided, hell I even bought 'em lunch if I was on the job site. The wages we paid were very fair for that area (Gwinnet, DeKalb, and north Fulton counties near Atlanta). No one got the short end of the stick; the clients got their lawns and gardens installed and maintained faster and better than anyone else, the workers made a good living, the company was profitable because our employees were willing to work their asses off for us, and Uncle Sam got every penny he was supposed to get from the business.
I work for a different company now so all my income is recorded via W4 but I will freely admit (to you but not to the IRS
) that most of my 1099s may have had some typographical errors. 
I did, I simply disagree. Yes, if one becomes solely an American citizen then one's loyalty should lie first and foremost with America but I don't believe in forbidding someone to show loyalty to the country of their birth or any other nation that they have lived in. I also think the "one language" bit is pretty silly. Back in Teddy's day that may have been ok but this country is no longer the isolationist it once was and communicating with the rest of the globe is essential to our own survival.
Redworm,
Illegal entry is a conscious and intentional violation of law that the offender breaks on a daily basis. Well, not technically daily as (s)he technically broke the law only when actually crossing the border. But they do exhibit a reckless disregard for the law of the land by refusing to comply with the law every moment they remain in the United States.
Actually there is a major difference between illegal entry (EWI) and the examples of law breaking you provided. Illegal immigration is a perpetual and continual criminal activity. Speeding (or any of the other examples you provided) are typically a random and often inadvertent act. It should be noted as well, that when a person does habitually break one of these laws (i.e. speeding) punishments can change to reflect the likelihood that the offender is indeed a criminal.
Illegal entry is a conscious and intentional violation of law that the offender breaks on a daily basis. Well, not technically daily as (s)he technically broke the law only when actually crossing the border. But they do exhibit a reckless disregard for the law of the land by refusing to comply with the law every moment they remain in the United States.
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Destructo6
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They must not have 1000+ apprehensions daily.
In Mexico, an immigrant who displays a national standard other than Mexico is open to jail time.
Destructo6,
Additionally, just like the Expedited Removal program, once this program was implemented in Eagle Pass, the number of people crossing the border has fallen drastically. Go figure, huh. If you actually punish people for the law they broke, they often will choose not to break that law. Many of those that are unable or unwilling to abide by the law, will choose to do so if the punishment is great enough. Look at how Texas handles EWI versus Arizona for a real world example of this. You could claim that AZ just has too many people crossing to actually punish them, but I don't think it's very far fetched to conclude that the reason they have so many people crossing is because they don't punish them. I've actually had the conversations with illegal aliens that have flat out told me the reason they crossed in AZ rather than other locations is because it?s easier, that they know they won't get any punishment.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Granted if they have lower apps than in say AZ it's easier for them to give everybody jail time. The point I was making however, is that it is not the case that everybody that "jumps the fence for the first time and has no criminal history" is charged administratively. Moreover, the rumors I hear are that the way Eagle Pass is doing things (all of Del Rio sector?) is a pilot program for the rest of the nation. Of course that creates some logistical difficulties, but those are surmountable.
Additionally, just like the Expedited Removal program, once this program was implemented in Eagle Pass, the number of people crossing the border has fallen drastically. Go figure, huh. If you actually punish people for the law they broke, they often will choose not to break that law. Many of those that are unable or unwilling to abide by the law, will choose to do so if the punishment is great enough. Look at how Texas handles EWI versus Arizona for a real world example of this. You could claim that AZ just has too many people crossing to actually punish them, but I don't think it's very far fetched to conclude that the reason they have so many people crossing is because they don't punish them. I've actually had the conversations with illegal aliens that have flat out told me the reason they crossed in AZ rather than other locations is because it?s easier, that they know they won't get any punishment.
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Just throwing this out there but, Why do all the news reports refer to the ILLEGAL ALIENS as immigrents and US Citizens, shortly thereafter reporting that they are in this country illegally? Isn't that a contradiction of terms?
Destructo6
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I guess that went right over your head. Do I need to explain in single syllable words? Mexico and Mexican citizens are hypocritical in that they loudly complain about how they are treated as illegal aliens in the US while at the same time treating their own legal and illegal aliens far worse.Well if Mexico and all its' friends jumped off a bridge would you do it to? Hmmm?
The price is the point. In AZ, if the alien doesn't have a criminal history, the US Attorney won't take the case because they don't want to spend time (money) on a case that will irritate the Immigration Judge since there are plenty of criminal aliens to fill the court.
They're playing a word game, of course. Like using, "automatic assault weapons", to describe semi-automatic rifles of all types, they can form the opinions of less-knowledgable folks.
redworm, your spin is making me dizzy, I would think through all your self righteous rant that you would look out for the AMERICAN worker and AMERICA first.
We should start deporting illegals, not all at once, but as we find them. We could start filtering them as they come thru our legal system for starters.
Health care facilities are another place they show up, welfare programs.
These would be good lower profile ways to to get the all rolling.
We should start deporting illegals, not all at once, but as we find them. We could start filtering them as they come thru our legal system for starters.
Health care facilities are another place they show up, welfare programs.
These would be good lower profile ways to to get the all rolling.
Possible Solution?
First, pass a law that makes it a criminal act to "knowingly and with intent," hire an unlawful alien. The phrase I used would make this law somewhat hard to prosecute, as the standard is set intentionally high. But...
Second, apply, within the framework of the above law, the asset forfeiture laws (RICO Act) to the criminal activity of the businessman/farmer/manufacturer. Find evidence of a single "undocumented" worker and your entire business, farm or factory would be forfeit.
Once the confiscations begin, and they would begin, how long would it take to be shed of "undocumented" workers? How many businesses would take that risk? (A possible unintended consequence of this, just might be the repeal of these odious laws - Congress would certainly react to the howling of these monied interests.)
Economics 101: Cut the demand and the supply will shrivel up.
First, pass a law that makes it a criminal act to "knowingly and with intent," hire an unlawful alien. The phrase I used would make this law somewhat hard to prosecute, as the standard is set intentionally high. But...
Second, apply, within the framework of the above law, the asset forfeiture laws (RICO Act) to the criminal activity of the businessman/farmer/manufacturer. Find evidence of a single "undocumented" worker and your entire business, farm or factory would be forfeit.
Once the confiscations begin, and they would begin, how long would it take to be shed of "undocumented" workers? How many businesses would take that risk? (A possible unintended consequence of this, just might be the repeal of these odious laws - Congress would certainly react to the howling of these monied interests.)
Economics 101: Cut the demand and the supply will shrivel up.
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So here you have it. We pick and choose which laws we will follow to make a buck. The illegals break the law comming here and you break the law hiring them. Then you break the tax laws just the same as the illegals. While your at it so you can have your riches you make the rest of us pay their health care and education cost. Along with dealing with the criminals that didn't come here for the work but to prey off us and the system.
I don't expect you to hold up to my standards Red but to me your words on anything are now worthless as you have betrayed America for a buck. You knowingly consortid with law breakers and together you cheated the government and us. To me you have behaved no better than a corrupt politicion.
So I bet while you were giving him his wages you paid time and a half for over time too huh?
Or was that another labor law you broke?
Sorry Red you not only lost my respect as a liberal but as an American too. You got the last words to me and please leave it at that.
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So here you have it. We pick and choose which laws we will follow to make a buck. The illegals break the law comming here and you break the law hiring them. Then you break the tax laws just the same as the illegals. While your at it so you can have your riches you make the rest of us pay their health care and education cost. Along with dealing with the criminals that didn't come here for the work but to prey off us and the system.
I don't expect you to hold up to my standards Red but to me your words on anything are now worthless as you have betrayed America for a buck. You knowingly consortid with law breakers and together you cheated the government and us. To me you have behaved no better than a corrupt politicion.
So I bet while you were giving him his wages you paid time and a half for over time too huh?
Or was that another labor law you broke? Sorry Red you not only lost my respect as a liberal but as an American too. You got the last words to me and please leave it at that.
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let us learn from Mexico
TULTITLAN, Mexico - Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money.
While migrants in the United States have held huge demonstrations in recent weeks, the hundreds of thousands of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico suffer mostly in silence.
And though Mexico demands humane treatment for its citizens who migrate to the U.S., regardless of their legal status, Mexico provides few protections for migrants on its own soil. The issue simply isn't on the country's political agenda, perhaps because migrants make up only 0.5 percent of the population, or about 500,000 people ? compared with 12 percent in the United States.
The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant.
Virginia Sanchez, who lives near the railroad tracks that carry Central Americans north to the U.S. border, said such shootings in Tultitlan are common.
"At night, you hear the gunshots, and it's the judiciales (state police) chasing the migrants," she said. "It's not fair to kill these people. It's not fair in the United States and it's not fair here."
Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail.
"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you ? federal, state, local police, all of them," said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala crouching in a field near the tracks in Tultitlan, waiting to climb onto a northbound freight train.
Lopez said he had been shaken down repeatedly in 15 days of traveling through Mexico.
"The soldiers were there as soon as we crossed the river," he said. "They said, 'You can't cross ... unless you leave something for us.'"
Jose Ramos, 18, of El Salvador, said the extortion occurs at every stop in Mexico, until migrants are left penniless and begging for food.
"If you're on a bus, they pull you off and search your pockets and if you have any money, they keep it and say, 'Get out of here,'" Ramos said.
Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police.
"They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.
Others said they had seen migrants beaten to death by police, their bodies left near the railway tracks to make it look as if they had fallen from a train.
The Mexican government acknowledges that many federal, state and local officials are on the take from the people-smugglers who move hundreds of thousands of Central Americans north, and that migrants are particularly vulnerable to abuse by corrupt police.
The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.
"One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South," commission president Jose Luis Soberanes said.
In the United States, mostly Mexican immigrants have staged rallies pressuring Congress to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants rather than making them felons and deputizing police to deport them. The Mexican government has spoken out in support of the immigrants' cause.
While Interior Secretary Carlos Abascal said Monday that "Mexico is a country with a clear, defined and generous policy toward migrants," the nation of 105 million has legalized only 15,000 immigrants in the past five years, and many undocumented migrants who are detained are deported.
Although Mexico objects to U.S. authorities detaining Mexican immigrants, police and soldiers usually cause the most trouble for migrants in Mexico, even though they aren't technically authorized to enforce immigration laws.
And while Mexicans denounce the criminalization of their citizens living without papers in the United States, Mexican law classifies undocumented immigration as a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, although deportation is more common.
The number of undocumented migrants detained in Mexico almost doubled from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 last year. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran.
Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S.
She said sectors of the Mexican economy facing labor shortages often use undocumented workers because the legal process for work visas is inefficient.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_mistreating_migrants
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TULTITLAN, Mexico - Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money.
While migrants in the United States have held huge demonstrations in recent weeks, the hundreds of thousands of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico suffer mostly in silence.
And though Mexico demands humane treatment for its citizens who migrate to the U.S., regardless of their legal status, Mexico provides few protections for migrants on its own soil. The issue simply isn't on the country's political agenda, perhaps because migrants make up only 0.5 percent of the population, or about 500,000 people ? compared with 12 percent in the United States.
The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant.
Virginia Sanchez, who lives near the railroad tracks that carry Central Americans north to the U.S. border, said such shootings in Tultitlan are common.
"At night, you hear the gunshots, and it's the judiciales (state police) chasing the migrants," she said. "It's not fair to kill these people. It's not fair in the United States and it's not fair here."
Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail.
"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you ? federal, state, local police, all of them," said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala crouching in a field near the tracks in Tultitlan, waiting to climb onto a northbound freight train.
Lopez said he had been shaken down repeatedly in 15 days of traveling through Mexico.
"The soldiers were there as soon as we crossed the river," he said. "They said, 'You can't cross ... unless you leave something for us.'"
Jose Ramos, 18, of El Salvador, said the extortion occurs at every stop in Mexico, until migrants are left penniless and begging for food.
"If you're on a bus, they pull you off and search your pockets and if you have any money, they keep it and say, 'Get out of here,'" Ramos said.
Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police.
"They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.
Others said they had seen migrants beaten to death by police, their bodies left near the railway tracks to make it look as if they had fallen from a train.
The Mexican government acknowledges that many federal, state and local officials are on the take from the people-smugglers who move hundreds of thousands of Central Americans north, and that migrants are particularly vulnerable to abuse by corrupt police.
The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.
"One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South," commission president Jose Luis Soberanes said.
In the United States, mostly Mexican immigrants have staged rallies pressuring Congress to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants rather than making them felons and deputizing police to deport them. The Mexican government has spoken out in support of the immigrants' cause.
While Interior Secretary Carlos Abascal said Monday that "Mexico is a country with a clear, defined and generous policy toward migrants," the nation of 105 million has legalized only 15,000 immigrants in the past five years, and many undocumented migrants who are detained are deported.
Although Mexico objects to U.S. authorities detaining Mexican immigrants, police and soldiers usually cause the most trouble for migrants in Mexico, even though they aren't technically authorized to enforce immigration laws.
And while Mexicans denounce the criminalization of their citizens living without papers in the United States, Mexican law classifies undocumented immigration as a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, although deportation is more common.
The number of undocumented migrants detained in Mexico almost doubled from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 last year. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran.
Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S.
She said sectors of the Mexican economy facing labor shortages often use undocumented workers because the legal process for work visas is inefficient.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_mistreating_migrants
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Redworm..YOU are a part of the problem...we need an honest law-abiding society..not one that sells out principles of honesty to raise their income higher..thank God, money is NOT my god of worship....and my integrity is NOT for sale...
...trouble is we have today's generation who is full of those that justify every dishonest or immoral thing...
He who dies with the most toys...loses the most toys when he dies...
....thats about it..
...trouble is we have today's generation who is full of those that justify every dishonest or immoral thing...
He who dies with the most toys...loses the most toys when he dies...
....thats about it..
that was my point...why should we lower our standard of treatment of immigrants just because mexico's is crappy?He's paying rent in America. He's buying food in America. He's going to baseball games in America, he's watching the same shows I am, drinking the same beer I am; he's stimulating the economy just as I am regardless of where he comes from or if he sends some back to his family in Mexico. It's not my reponsibility to look out for any other American. If I choose to give my fellow man a hand it will be because I decided to do so on that man's own merit, not because of some imagined connection due to being born in the same ten million square miles. I hired those who worked the hardest. I also paid them better than they would've seen anywhere else. I looked out for my comany and that included my employees, regardless of their citizenship.
You pick and choose which laws to follow as well. Would you register every single one of your guns? Would you give up booze if it was banned? Do you follow every law to the letter every single day or are there laws you break without even knowing it? Laws are made by people, both fallible.
Show me a direct victim in my crime.
Every single one of those bucks I made was fed right into America's economy. Since when is aspiring to the American dream a betrayal? Oh that's right, because they're not from here. I guess only Americans deserve that opportunity. I wonder what ever happened to "give us your tired, give us your poor".
He wouldn't have worked for me if I didn't.
Anything over 40 hours or eight hours a day was time and a half.I didn't sell any principles of honesty. I treated every employee as an equal regardless of nationality or legal status. The one and only thing that ever determined their wage was the quality of their work. If they chose not to pay taxes on their income, that's their own fault. I'm sure you've documented every dollar you've ever earned, right? You've paid every red cent in tax on every taxable sum of income that has ever crossed your hands?
My integrity isn't for sale. I worked for myself, I provided a high quality service for a good price and I treated my employees as fair as I would want to be treated. I support the economy and I pay my fair share. Compared to me you guys are the socialists. :lol:
Redworm..you didn't mention anything about following the law in business...
nor are you thinking about the time you or someone important needs urgent medical attention and must wait behind a large line of illegal aliens at the emergency room...which burden is being transferred to higher and higher medical costs to you...ask CA how well they are handling this nightmare...
the idea of taking a little more and more corruption for a litle more money because so many others are doing it ends up with all of society doing it..like an addiction..sounds like the countries south of us doesn't it???..give me a little less money and a more honest society and I have gotten a much better deal than the reverse...
the idea of justifying hiring illegals because you treat them fairly is no justification..tell that to former tradesmen in the construction business who has been upsurped by lowering wages....but then as I said before there are many who sell out this country's future for a profit today...pity the future generation of the USA who has the likes of today running it into the ground...the golden age of US business corruption is today not yesterday...one look at the headines says it all...your reasons for your actions all are about money, money, money...I don't pick and choice what laws to obey...and the ones I don't think are good I try to elect people who would change them..
the lies being cloaked in truth in this thread are amazing but not unusual for today...
AZ is still floundering in passing laws to combat illegal entry..AL did pass a very sweeping law that gives them no chance at the welfare trough, penalties for business that hires them, etc..if all the states do likewise they will self-deport themselves in large numbers...provided the Redworms don't skirt the law...
As for capitalism..the man recognized as the father of it said something that it must be governed by principle..
..YOU are the problem promoting this problem...outsourcing within our borders..that is all it is in reality..
nor are you thinking about the time you or someone important needs urgent medical attention and must wait behind a large line of illegal aliens at the emergency room...which burden is being transferred to higher and higher medical costs to you...ask CA how well they are handling this nightmare...
the idea of taking a little more and more corruption for a litle more money because so many others are doing it ends up with all of society doing it..like an addiction..sounds like the countries south of us doesn't it???..give me a little less money and a more honest society and I have gotten a much better deal than the reverse...
the idea of justifying hiring illegals because you treat them fairly is no justification..tell that to former tradesmen in the construction business who has been upsurped by lowering wages....but then as I said before there are many who sell out this country's future for a profit today...pity the future generation of the USA who has the likes of today running it into the ground...the golden age of US business corruption is today not yesterday...one look at the headines says it all...your reasons for your actions all are about money, money, money...I don't pick and choice what laws to obey...and the ones I don't think are good I try to elect people who would change them..
the lies being cloaked in truth in this thread are amazing but not unusual for today...
AZ is still floundering in passing laws to combat illegal entry..AL did pass a very sweeping law that gives them no chance at the welfare trough, penalties for business that hires them, etc..if all the states do likewise they will self-deport themselves in large numbers...provided the Redworms don't skirt the law...
As for capitalism..the man recognized as the father of it said something that it must be governed by principle..
..YOU are the problem promoting this problem...outsourcing within our borders..that is all it is in reality..
I followed the law. Didn't decieve my clients or employees, complied with all saftey regulations, was properly insured, etc etc. The only illegal thing I did was not check social security cards when allowing guys, both obviously legal and possibly illegal, to jump in the back of the truck for a day or two of working.
I don't remember any of the guys I hired having to go to the emergency room. A couple were arrested but lo and behold they were the white American citizens. None of my hispanic daily workers seemed to get in trouble. I like how you used the words "or someone important"...because a citizen with a broken leg is more important than an immigrant with a broken leg, right?
I handled some construction jobs along with our landscaping and they hired a few illegals as well. Luckily electricians and plumbers, the two most important jobs in building a house, still require licensing. Either way there were plenty of Americans working on those construction jobs for the same wages that the undocumented, possibly illegal guys were making.
The reasons for my actions was not just money, it was to provide a quality service for my clients. Why should I have to hire a guy that's going to half ass his way through the job I give him because he knows I'll still have to pay him when I can hire a guy for the exact same amount that's going to give me his 100% because he knows it's the only way I'll hire him again? Those men were taking the money I gave them and putting a roof over their families, feeding their children.
You don't pick and choose? I'm sure you would if it was a law you didn't agree with. Gonna register all your guns if it comes to that? Gonna turn them all in if it comes to that? Or are you going to pick and choose which gun control laws you feel are justified?
I'm not outsourcing, Dell is outsourcing. Companies that ship their jobs overseas are pumping money into the economies of other nations. The money I paid my workers, both the legal ones and the illegal ones, went right back into the American economy. If you guys see me as part of the problem, I'm sorry. I wish I could convince y'all that no man deserves to be given preference in employment simply because of his nationality as oppossed to his work ethic...
I don't remember any of the guys I hired having to go to the emergency room. A couple were arrested but lo and behold they were the white American citizens. None of my hispanic daily workers seemed to get in trouble. I like how you used the words "or someone important"...because a citizen with a broken leg is more important than an immigrant with a broken leg, right?
I handled some construction jobs along with our landscaping and they hired a few illegals as well. Luckily electricians and plumbers, the two most important jobs in building a house, still require licensing. Either way there were plenty of Americans working on those construction jobs for the same wages that the undocumented, possibly illegal guys were making.
The reasons for my actions was not just money, it was to provide a quality service for my clients. Why should I have to hire a guy that's going to half ass his way through the job I give him because he knows I'll still have to pay him when I can hire a guy for the exact same amount that's going to give me his 100% because he knows it's the only way I'll hire him again? Those men were taking the money I gave them and putting a roof over their families, feeding their children.
You don't pick and choose? I'm sure you would if it was a law you didn't agree with. Gonna register all your guns if it comes to that? Gonna turn them all in if it comes to that? Or are you going to pick and choose which gun control laws you feel are justified?
I'm not outsourcing, Dell is outsourcing. Companies that ship their jobs overseas are pumping money into the economies of other nations. The money I paid my workers, both the legal ones and the illegal ones, went right back into the American economy. If you guys see me as part of the problem, I'm sorry. I wish I could convince y'all that no man deserves to be given preference in employment simply because of his nationality as oppossed to his work ethic...
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