Red Jacket

Meatsaw -- there was a president who was shot with a 22 , the bullet entered , hit a rib and bounced and punctured the lung .A 38 wouldn't have done that. The 22 rimfire has a long history of entering in one place and bouncing and being deflected in various ways. I shot a chuck with a 22 .the bullet killed the chuck instantly but deflected 45* and exited !!
Yes that's the reputation of the 22 rimfire.The other reputation is that the bullet might not cause any noticeble pain or discomfort but you die a few days later !
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Exactly, a 22 can easily be deflected by bone and as a result not penetrate in a straight path. It does not however bounce around back and forth as many, many people have claimed.

I can only speak for myself, but I would much rather have a round that penetrates straight, for the most part, and rely on my aim to hit something vital than hope for a lucky "bounce". A 22 can just as easily be deflected away from something vital as it can towards it. I believe most of us here can agee on that.
 
A .22 pistol for self defense?

They must have been out of the SBS Saigas they sell to absolutely everyone else.
 
.25 is to slow to do any real damage at least with the .22 it will penetrate deeper than the .25 auto.
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My grandpa's cousin was shot and killed with one shot from .25 Baby Browning....as he drove his tractor down the road.
 
I had to cringe during the last episode I watched. A guy brought in a 6.5 Arisaka and had reservations about it's structural integrity. OK, I unnerstand a guy ought to have a mil-surp checked out well prior to use- but they could have done some 'splainin. I would have told the guy something along the line of "We checked out the rifle- it's not only OK- but OK enough to shoot full pressure ammo out of."

And what was all the head scratching over where and how to locate the ammo for it? Don't they still have the internet down in them parts?

I know they do a lot for pure theatrics- but I've seen several episodes where they set an acknowledged short deadline. Then we see them on the range with the customer and looking at each other saying, "This thing better work!" I know everybody has the right to run their business the way they want, but personally, I would be 100% sure of the item's functionality well before putting the customer behind the trigger.

And, I may be tempted to tinker around with their idea of stuffing an arrow in a .410 shell too one of these days. That little sucker looked all kinds of cool.
 
I understand that a 22 is light but if you shoot the bad guy in the head he's done for.it come down to how good you aim is you cant kill a person with a well placed bb shot.
 
I carry a Taurus .25 ACP semi-auto,,,
Not only do I carry the most derided caliber,,,
I also carry the handgun that most people say is junk.

In my defense I also have the same gun in .22 LR,,,
I practice with the .22 every time I hit the range,,,
I shoot a mag from the .25 at least once a week.

So I'm relatively certain I can hit center mass with it,,,
Ten rounds of .25 hardball placed well,,,
Should ruin a bad guys day.

I can't see why some good Hi-Vel .22 wouldn't do the same.

Aarond
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I shoot about 1,100 LRs a month and the wife about 550. However, absent some sort of riot scenario or end of the world whwre everything else has run out, we would not rely on such.

Fun as heck to shoot though and great marksmanship practice.
 
10-96 , that was a farce .A guy who works in a gunsmith shop asks how to operate a basic bolt action .The worry about using reduced loads in one of the strongest bolt actions ever made ! ! Notice the brass plaque on the buttstock ? No comment about that . Assuming terrible recoil even with rduced loads ! :rolleyes: :(
 
Is this thread about mouse guns or Red Jacket? Stay on the latter if you must.

This show is discussed endlessly - it's become like Operation Repo or Pawn Stars - staged entertainment.

Yep, you just search on the ammo and come up with the major ammo sites have plenty. The rocket launcher for the Somali pirates was laughable.

The supposed 1000 yard AK was a 308 Saiga. Wrestling is fixed.
 
It is just possible the .22 comment was tongue-in-cheek.
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Both Bud Helms and aarondhgraham got my drift in this thread.

No, I don't ever support the idea of having a .22lr for self-defense
unless you own nothing else..out of all the choices and calibers..
why choose the weakest possible caliber to defend your life on?

About red Jacket.. I'm pretty burned out with that show. I
really haven't learned a thing from watching it. Going back to
"Defensive Tv", at least on that program I see some new ccw
holsters and tactics etc. At least I learn something
..even though its just a little. ;)

<\rant mode off>
 
Recommending a .22lr pistol for home defense is poor advice, no matter who is giving it.

The show is entertainment, and not very good entertainment at that...


Forest Gump said:
And that's all I have to say about tha-at.
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22 bounce off Reagan's rib???

Shooters:
I could be wrong, but I recall reading about the Reagan assassination attempt by Hinkley. As I recall a 22 flattened out on one of his ribs and didn't penetrate. Hmmmmm . . . . .

Nonetheless I'd just as soon not be shot by a 22 or anything else for that matter.

Live Well, be safe
Prof Young
 
A .22 cal is a go to caliber for most pro hitmen, and assassins.....Go figure.

Then again, a professional hitman or assassin are trained expert shooters. Their .22 cal firearms are quality made and tuned.

A .22 is superior to the .25 ....That .25 caliober is a weak bullet.
 
Something no-one has mentioned is that .22 lr is one of the more unreliable cartridges. I do not doubt its killing power within reasonable distances, but I do have reservations about using it for self defense because rimfires commonly experience malfunctions.

Everybody has had the occasional round that fails to fire. Is that going to be the one you are counting on to protect your life? For me, it's not that big of a deal. I can rack the slide back fairly quickly. For my girlfriend it's a different story. She does not practice as much as she should (my fault) and would most likely panic if there was a malfunction.

Regards,
-Dan
 
Something no-one has mentioned is that .22 lr is one of the more unreliable cartridges.
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I believe the majority of malfunctions come from cheap/dirty/bulk ammo, not necessarily the cartridge.

I own two 22lr. guns ... a Walther P22 and a Colt/Umarex M4 OPS.
Two of the most "unreliable" .22 guns ever manufactured, if you believe everything you read on the forums. :rolleyes:

I've used nothing but CCI MiniMags for these guns and can't remember ever having a malfunction.

The MiniMags are a little more expensive, but as cheap as 22lr ammo is, I see no reason not to buy the good stuff. ;)
 
there was a president who was shot with a 22 , the bullet entered , hit a rib and bounced and punctured the lung .A 38 wouldn't have done that.
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A .38 would have done the same thing, or possibly simply broken the rib and produced more debris to increase the lung damage.

Lucky hits are not to be relied upon.
 
I can imagine a few reasons that a .22 might be a good choice for some people, arthritis, or weak hands etc.
I would hope the people that recommended it on the TV show did so for good and prudent reasons.

Not an ideal cartridge obviously.
 
So...is a 22 LR enough gun for home defense? Nobody wants to get shot, so if you are just scaring somebody away, it's plenty of gun. If somebody is determined to hack you to chunks with a machete and do it right NOW, it's way short of being enough gun. You won't be around to care if he dies tomorrow, cause you died ugly today. So...have enough gun, which is a topic that has been debated endlessly, so I won't even venture an opinion on what's enough.
 
I didn't see it so I don't know, but was this lady brand new to shooting? Makes perfect sense to start her on a .22 if so. .22M preferably, but still.
 
For defensive use you want something that has a decent chance of stopping the attack NOW.

Not in a few minutes.
NOW.

All but the largest of handguns are still pretty poor weapons compared to what a long gun can do.

While shot placement is still going to determine how any caliber works, having some extra room for less than perfect bullet placement is a really good idea.
 
I've only watched Sons of Guns a couple of times when I couldn't find anything else to do. What I have against the show is that they make it seem like restricted items like full auto guns and suppressors can be bought off the shelf no problem. There is nothing about the paper work involved or waiting time that one has to put in to legally own a class 3 item. And people buy into this. I work with guys who complain about people in Louisiana can buy machine guns and people in Texas can't. :rolleyes:
 
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