Recommend some .40 Autos?

If you really like the Sigs, you won't go wrong with one. I personally like the Glock 23, but you said the Glocks do not fit you, so, please do not get one just because they are good guns. Your gun has to feel right to you and fit your hand or you may not be able to do well with it.

I also own .40 S&W caliber handguns for the same reason you were attracted to the caliber. There are, however, some factors related to the .40's that you should know. If I had known prior to buying, I might have reconsidered with a 10mm or .45. Nonetheless, I like my .40's, and they are, indeed an intermediary between the .9x19 and .45. Thusfar, all mine have performed safely and very well. That being said, you should read this:

http://greent.com/40Page/ammo/40/180gr.htm

http://greent.com/40Page/

http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/gz-glock-kb.html

http://glocktalk.com (go to the .40S&W Club forum at Glocktalk)

Interesting stuff, huh? I am going to keep my .40's(one of which is a Glock), but you can bet I will carefully examine my rounds for any bullet setback, and I am considering not buying any more 180grain loads after I shoot up what I have. I am still learning about this. It does seem that there have been an inordinate number of blow-ups with .40 cal handguns in comparison with other calibers. Maybe it's just hype, maybe it isn't. I know I always shoot jacketed factory rounds in my .40's - no reloads - no lead. I keep my chambers clean too, to ensure the round is fully seated. There are a lot of police departments that use the .40's and love them.

Sigs, H&K USP's, Berettas, CZ's, Rugers, some Browninigs, some older S&W's (generally stay away from Sigmas), all are good pistols.

-10CFR
 
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.40 recommendations ...

I have 2 40 cals at the moment ...
1) Taurus .40 cal which shoots well
2) a Beretta Cougar which I use as a peronal carry weapon .. the Cougar has always made a big noise and holes in objects whenever I wished ... I have shot approx 1200 rounds through it .. everything from UMC (Usually Means Crap) to wolf and the higher quality ammo with nary a problem ... The weapon feels like an extension of my arm and I cant imagine a better 40 cal .. . from my perspective ...
Prior to buying the Beretta, I fired Glocks and HP's and Sigs and Rugers and Brownings ... I picked up the Beretta and it felt like an old friend ...
Go to a local weapons range/store and try all the 40's you can .. and one of them will be .. the one :D
 
Glock

Look, my friends, I honestly appreciate your input. I did, however, distinctly and politely say that Glocks do not fit my hand. Now, I've only handled full-sized Glocks, but being that I want a full-sized pistol, I think that's fitting. I don't like the way a Glock feels in my hand, and I don't want to by a pistol and only have to turn around and spend $300 bucks getting the grip reshaped. They SHOULD have good ergonomics right out of the factory. I'll bet if Glock made a version of their pistols with the grip thinned out, they'd sell even more of them. Maybe, when the time comes to buy a pistol, I'll try the Glocks out again, but I don't think my hand is going to be growing anymore. Basically, the backstrap is too wide to be comfortable for me. A Desert Eagle fits my hand better than a Glock 21. Go figure?

As for the Beretta 96. I messed with the Army's Beretta 92's before. The single action trigger pull was God-awful. Mushy, creepy, squishy. Yick. I'll say one thing for that low-quality 1911 clone, it had an EXCELLENT trigger on it. But, maybe that was just the military ones. I dunno. Remember, "mil-spec" is a euphamism for "Made by the lowest bidder".
 
"mil-spec" is a euphamism for "Made by the lowest bidder.
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I used to think about that when I was in the A.F., but it was keepin'
me up nights.

Sorry the image bombed. It looked good on the computer at work. I don't know what happened.
 
Nightcrawler

Glock

Not only would have to spend $300 to get the grip reshaped, you would have to shell $100 to $200 for a new barrel to protect your investment (and possibly your hand). --And you'd still be stock with a grip built to accomodate 15 rounds.
 
Arub, the CZ40B is a double action pistol. You can carry it cocked and locked, hammer down on a cartridge, or with an empty chamber. Sound familiar? It should as these are the same options you have with a CZ75B. The CZ40B is a hard pistol to turn down for the price they are going for. I only have 100 rounds through mine but it hasn't missed a beat. Regards, Richard
 
juliet charley

If a 1911 fits your hand and a glock 22 does not the problem is in your head. Both have a simular grip diameter. ALso you do not need a new barrel for a glock to reload just don't use lead bullets and hot reloads. Also the grip reshaping is only about 150 to 200 bucks not 200 to 300. It depends on who does it.
PAT
 
I wrote:

you said the Glocks do not fit you, so, please do not get one
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There are lots of other quality choices. If you like the Sig, get the Sig.

As far as the .40S&W caliber goes, you should read up on it and make an informed decision. There is a lot of 'stuff' with that caliber. I'm keeping mine, and yes, I like the way they perform. As I said, though, read up a little and decide if that is what you really want.

Be safe. Enjoy.

-10CFR
 
The grip of the 1911 is the same as the G22? The problem is in his head? Thats very helpful. In my opinion I find the grip of the 1911 more comfortable than the full sized Glocks. Some tend to think the full sized Glocks are like a 1911 with an arched mainspring housing. I guess the problem is in my head too? Nonetheless, there are plenty of good 40 caliber pistols out there besides the Glock. Find the one that is comfortable for you.
 
CZ75 All The Way

I spent my typical 6 hours at the range today blasting away with the CZs and other assorted toys. The CZ75s in both 9 and 40 always amaze me with their accuracy.

They really are tough to beat.

BTW, I have a Glock 22 (40 cal) but it simply doesn't come close to the CZs in the accuracy department. Neither does my Sig.
 
PAT -

Get a life (or at least a sense of humour). I don't think anything serious was said about 1911s (and certainly not in my post) until you brought them up. If you will look (scratch that, READ) about two posts up from mine, you will find the post I was resonding too. (HINT, look at my salutation.)

The young man said the Glock did not fit his hand. I accepted what he said because if it doesn't feel right to him, it doesn't feel right. I did not try to argue with him or to question his mental stability. Handguns (and especially handgun "fit") are very subjective things. What works you may not work for someone else. (Remember that, it might make some of your posts seem a lot less foolish in the future.)

FYI - While the Glock may or may not have a grip diameter SIMILAR to the 1911, fractions of inch can make a different to "feel," and even if they have similar diameters, the dimensions width (side to side) and length (for and aft) measurements can be significantly different. A longer, thinner grip (I really like single stack nines), generally feels far better to me than a shorter, fatter grip (e.g., a double stack grip).

And, even though my post was tongue-in-cheek, and definitely without getting into the whole "Glock thing," (this is neither the time nor the thread) there are what appears to be well-documented cases of Glock 2x Kb!s with FACTORY ammunition.
 
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HK USP Compact

Nightcrawler, I have both a Beretta 96D and an HK USPc. My girlfriend also has a .40 USPc. The Beretta is a DAO and has a really great trigger pull, as good as an older Smith K-frame out of the box. I think the DAOs have a different trigger group than standard models. Disadvantages -- the grip is a little fuller than the HK and that open top design throws my danged cases everywhere! We both prefer the USPc. The grip fits both, performance has been flawless for over 4000 rounds, and the accuracy is exceptional. Maintenance is simple in the extreme. Both are Variant 1 types, allowing for all kinds of options (cocked and locked, DA first, DA first w/safety engaged, whatever) to make them both functional and extremely "safe action" (these are the older types without the key lock). Everyone who shoots them likes them. Even lady friends are suprised to find that they can quickly learn to shoot the .40 so well. I like the Beretta, but I'd do a straight trade for another HK in a blink.
 
If you can still find it on the newstands, the most recent issue of Firearms for Law Enforcemnt had an article about the Ohio State Patrol handgun selection. While it did not go into much detail about the test, it did include a ranking and total score for each pistol tested. The winner was the Sig P226 in .40 S&W (a fine handun--the Texas DPS uses it in .357 Sig). The Sig P229 came him a strong second a few points behind the the 226. The Glock 22 finished fourth, some 200 points behind the P226. I found particularly intereting that the highly recommended Glock 23 did not finish the trials (no reason given).

So I can you can say based on the most recent service handgun selection tests which included all the leading .40 S&W, the P226 is the best out there.
 
If a 1911 fits your hand and a glock 22 does not the problem is in your head. Both have a simular grip diameter. ALso you do not need a new barrel for a glock to reload just don't use lead bullets and hot reloads. Also the grip reshaping is only about 150 to 200 bucks not 200 to 300. It depends on who does it.
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355Sigfan,

Most all grip reductions I've seen offered for the Glocks have addressed the grip "angle" not necessarily the width of the grip. It's something that is measurable and definitely not all in your mind. The grips between the two are totally different in that respect and some find the 1911's more comfortable and easier to point.

Judging by most of your other posts on this forum, this is probly futile trying to convince you that anything other than Glock is acceptable. :rolleyes: Not a flame.. just an observation.

Rick
 
Bandit



Take a set of calipers out and measure the grip thickness of a 1911 and a glock 22 you will find that they are not that difference. Also the 1911 has a longer grip and its about the same or it has a larger circumfrience. Also I like glocks but sigs, beretta's HK's are ok too.
PAT
 
Take a set of calipers out and measure the grip thickness of a 1911 and a glock 22 you will find that they are not that difference. Also the 1911 has a longer grip and its about the same or it has a larger circumfrience. Also I like glocks but sigs, beretta's HK's are ok too.
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Re-read my post :D I pretty much conceded the fact that the grip thickness was similar to a 1911's though the Glocks are thicker but not by much if measured by calipers. However I did say that most grip reductions address the grip *angle* of the Glock which is radically different than 1911's and to some feels awkward.

Peruse these links at your liesure..

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/glock/ggrline.htm
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/LoneWolf-Specials.html#DUR-GR

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Rick
 
Bandit
Sorry I didn't read your post well enough. Also I like the reductions ont he 20 21 glocks but not on the 22 17 31 family. Each set of paw is difference. THe wather p99 may be the ticket with its ajustable grip I have one and it felt great. I did not like the recoil of the pistol in 40 sw. But it was ok.
PAT
 
I can recommend the 3 I have, Glock 23, Browning HP .40 and Kahr K40. All considerably different but each has unique attributes that make them mighty fine pistols. I had a Sig 239 that I liked except for the trigger.
 
Nightcrawler:

I read your posts, but I'm curious about one thing. Have you considered a Glock ?????

Dawg23
 
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