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Rebuild New Orleans - Yes or No?
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I voted no.
Why spend all the money for the potential to happen again. Don't compare other port cities to N.O. There is a variable in N.O. which makes comparing it to other locations pointless. It's too unique.
N.O. is built in a spot where - if humans had not intervened - it would be covered in water right now even w/out the help of Katrina.
How many times do you touch the stove before you realize you'll get burned?
Rebuild in a new location. All this economic blathering is irrelevant. N.O. was an economic mess prior to Katrina, and an even bigger one now. The only thing that city had going for it was the Port.
Emotionally I would say yeah, rebuild right where it is.
“Commonsensically” I say it would be a huge mistake.
I think anyone in California with a home in on the side of a hill is just asking for it… don’t be surprised when your house slides off in a pile of mud. Same here, N.O. was just a matter of time.
Why spend all the money for the potential to happen again. Don't compare other port cities to N.O. There is a variable in N.O. which makes comparing it to other locations pointless. It's too unique.
N.O. is built in a spot where - if humans had not intervened - it would be covered in water right now even w/out the help of Katrina.
How many times do you touch the stove before you realize you'll get burned?
Rebuild in a new location. All this economic blathering is irrelevant. N.O. was an economic mess prior to Katrina, and an even bigger one now. The only thing that city had going for it was the Port.
Emotionally I would say yeah, rebuild right where it is.
“Commonsensically” I say it would be a huge mistake.
I think anyone in California with a home in on the side of a hill is just asking for it… don’t be surprised when your house slides off in a pile of mud. Same here, N.O. was just a matter of time.
The Bush administration turned down 150 million in flood projects in New Orleans...
Two years ago two reporters from the Times-Picayune laid out the disaster that would occur if this happend.
I wonder if that 60-150 million had been spent if it would have saved billion of dollars?
The Port of New Orleans is a signifigant economic contributor....a lot of our products come through it.
Two years ago two reporters from the Times-Picayune laid out the disaster that would occur if this happend.
I wonder if that 60-150 million had been spent if it would have saved billion of dollars?
The Port of New Orleans is a signifigant economic contributor....a lot of our products come through it.
I vote NO
I have said it for years
When people insist on living somewhere so "dangerous" that the insurance people don't want to cover them, then they should be compensated (at most) one time.
And then if they persist then they are on their own.
Cold hearted...maybe......
But I saw people along the Mississippi get flooded out (multiple times) and lament their loss....crying " we can't even get flood insurance"
Because you live somewhere that is all but guaranteed to flood every few years!
Instead of insurance, buy a houseboat!
Here is your money....move to high ground or not...your choice....but you don't get paid again!
Learn from your mistakes....don't repeat them
I have said it for years
When people insist on living somewhere so "dangerous" that the insurance people don't want to cover them, then they should be compensated (at most) one time.
And then if they persist then they are on their own.
Cold hearted...maybe......
But I saw people along the Mississippi get flooded out (multiple times) and lament their loss....crying " we can't even get flood insurance"
Because you live somewhere that is all but guaranteed to flood every few years!
Instead of insurance, buy a houseboat!
Here is your money....move to high ground or not...your choice....but you don't get paid again!
Learn from your mistakes....don't repeat them
If my town was located in a place which will see the likes of this disaster again, I would hope you'd do just that - so that in my broken up emotional state I wouldn't think it's a great idea to build up again, only to be torn down........again.Eghad said:Then next time a disaster stikes the towns of those who voted no here...
we will just put a big red x on it and write it off and let you look for help on your on.....
To all of those saying we shouldn't build New Orleans:
I'm from New Orleans. I'm in Texas now and I don't know when I'll be going home or if I have a home to be going to. All I have right now is about 3 changes of clothes, my guns, and a laptop; and I was lucky enough to get that.
Sure, let's not rebuild New Orleans. Let's all depend on 25% more forigen oil. And all you dumb bastards saying "just build it further north"; That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! So if we move N.O. say 50 miles north, who's gonna drive 100 miles to work everyday? Who's gonna man all these pipelines and drilling platforms? Fish? Frogmen? Mermaids?!
And to all you ****ers saying that New Orleans shouldn't be rebuilt because people living in such a "dangerous area" were asking for it, I really hope that you lose your house and everything you own and have worked hard all your life to get, I hope you have to endure 5-6 days of not knowing whether or not 50 or so close friends and family are alive or dead, knowing that in all likelyhood some of them are dead. Drowned. I hope you all rot in hell. There isn't one place in this country you can live that you are exempt from natural disaster. So your logic is stupid, almost as stupid as you are you peices of ****.
I'm gonna get banned for this, and I'm glad. I don't want to be associated with some of you *******s. All I ask is that this is left up long enough for these ****bags to read it.
Some people here seem to be great people but unfortunately they seem to be in the minority. I apologize to all the GOOD people who post here, you know who you are.
**** ALL OF YOU THAT ARE SAYING THAT NEW ORLEANS SHOULDN'T BE REBUILT. I HOPE THE SAME FATE BEFALLS YOU. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS.
I'm from New Orleans. I'm in Texas now and I don't know when I'll be going home or if I have a home to be going to. All I have right now is about 3 changes of clothes, my guns, and a laptop; and I was lucky enough to get that.
Sure, let's not rebuild New Orleans. Let's all depend on 25% more forigen oil. And all you dumb bastards saying "just build it further north"; That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! So if we move N.O. say 50 miles north, who's gonna drive 100 miles to work everyday? Who's gonna man all these pipelines and drilling platforms? Fish? Frogmen? Mermaids?!
And to all you ****ers saying that New Orleans shouldn't be rebuilt because people living in such a "dangerous area" were asking for it, I really hope that you lose your house and everything you own and have worked hard all your life to get, I hope you have to endure 5-6 days of not knowing whether or not 50 or so close friends and family are alive or dead, knowing that in all likelyhood some of them are dead. Drowned. I hope you all rot in hell. There isn't one place in this country you can live that you are exempt from natural disaster. So your logic is stupid, almost as stupid as you are you peices of ****.
I'm gonna get banned for this, and I'm glad. I don't want to be associated with some of you *******s. All I ask is that this is left up long enough for these ****bags to read it.
Some people here seem to be great people but unfortunately they seem to be in the minority. I apologize to all the GOOD people who post here, you know who you are.
**** ALL OF YOU THAT ARE SAYING THAT NEW ORLEANS SHOULDN'T BE REBUILT. I HOPE THE SAME FATE BEFALLS YOU. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Sterno-
You're not gonna get banned for that post under the circumstances. Please don't make it a habit, though.
I, too, am amazed at some of the reactions....any debate regarding the rebuilding of New Orleans can take place later....much later. Right now, AMERICANS are suffering due to a natural disaster. Do we lack enough humanity to spend a few weeks trying to ease that suffering just a little before shoveling dirt over the hopes and dreams of tens of thousands?
California has earthquakes; the Northwest, volcanoes; The Midwest, tornadoes; the Mississippi Valley, floods; The southwest suffers enormous drought; the east and gulf coasts, hurricanes. Granted, the city of New Orleans was all the more fragile because of its elevation....but what is going on in New Orleans could happen to ANYONE on this board with the simplest twist of fate.
When did the America that I knew die?
Rich
You're not gonna get banned for that post under the circumstances. Please don't make it a habit, though.
I, too, am amazed at some of the reactions....any debate regarding the rebuilding of New Orleans can take place later....much later. Right now, AMERICANS are suffering due to a natural disaster. Do we lack enough humanity to spend a few weeks trying to ease that suffering just a little before shoveling dirt over the hopes and dreams of tens of thousands?
California has earthquakes; the Northwest, volcanoes; The Midwest, tornadoes; the Mississippi Valley, floods; The southwest suffers enormous drought; the east and gulf coasts, hurricanes. Granted, the city of New Orleans was all the more fragile because of its elevation....but what is going on in New Orleans could happen to ANYONE on this board with the simplest twist of fate.
When did the America that I knew die?
Rich
people should be allowed to rebuild where they wish with a given builder beware no insurance of government bail .However there is more then money to consider,just the process of what do i do next? takes time for a whole city of people who are forced to make decisions that require monitary means with about 87% of the population who dont have those monitary means available.I say if your not able to help them money wise and even if you can help out ....pray damned hard for them because its going to take the people as well as God to get the job done.
IMHO, it seems that New Orleans is important as a port city, and in that degree only should be rebuilt. However, I don't think it should be rebuilt to the same extent as before, not as a "city in a bowl", and not any government funded housing. Certainly we, the government, and other agencies should help the people in the immediate situation with money, food, and shelter. Eventually assistance should be provided to find work elsewhere, but not as a handout to rebuild with the same risks.
As one of the previous articles pointed out, there must be a balance of our engineering marvels with nature in general. (Back to the "should we?" question that we ask ourselves in many parts of our own lives).
As one of the previous articles pointed out, there must be a balance of our engineering marvels with nature in general. (Back to the "should we?" question that we ask ourselves in many parts of our own lives).
Denny Hansen
Staff Emeritus
We're rebuilding on the site of the World Trade Center and we (AMERICANS) will rebuild New Orleans.
Denny
Denny
RIch said:When did the America that I knew die?
WTH?
What the "no" people are saying is lets use some COMMON SENSE so we do not get ourselves in a similar situation down the road. If you ask me, that's looking out for the citizens of N.O., versus enabling the citizens to get themselves in the same pickle down the road when, after they rebuild in the same spot, they get slammed again by another disaster.
No one here lacks compassion just because they think it's not a good idea to rebuild in the same spot.
The thread was about rebuilding, or not rebuilding - which is why that's the topic of discussion - rather than the humanitarian aid.Rich said:I, too, am amazed at some of the reactions....any debate regarding the rebuilding of New Orleans can take place later....much later. (SNIP) Do we lack enough humanity to spend a few weeks trying to ease that suffering just a little before shoveling dirt over the hopes and dreams of tens of thousands?
Denny, if WTC had been built in N.O. and it was wiped out by Katrina I'd say don't rebuild WTC in N.O.
WTC = TERRORISM
N.O. = FLOODING DUE TO GEOGRAPHY.
If the geography around WTC had anything to do with it's demise - I'd vote not to rebuild that either! Move it somewhere more safe. Same as I feel about N.O.
How can people keep comparing WTC and such, to a disaster such as N.O.? I just don't get it.
WTC = TERRORISM
N.O. = FLOODING DUE TO GEOGRAPHY.
If the geography around WTC had anything to do with it's demise - I'd vote not to rebuild that either! Move it somewhere more safe. Same as I feel about N.O.
How can people keep comparing WTC and such, to a disaster such as N.O.? I just don't get it.
New Orleans will be rebuilt. Not a doubt in my mind.
It's importance is more than many think. It'll show itself in the coming months. New Orleans was a major city. How many refineries, chemical plants, factories, ports are down in SE Louisiana that are out of commission? I don't know, but I think everyone will feel the impact of this hurricane.
Not to mention its historical and cultural significance.
It's importance is more than many think. It'll show itself in the coming months. New Orleans was a major city. How many refineries, chemical plants, factories, ports are down in SE Louisiana that are out of commission? I don't know, but I think everyone will feel the impact of this hurricane.
Not to mention its historical and cultural significance.
Denny Hansen
Staff Emeritus
You're right, Trip.
Of course if Wisconsin is hit by a huge snow and ice storm, power and all other services go out, we'll just let everyone freeze to death. Ya'll should not have moved to a cold climate.
And if the power fails in Arizona and there's no AC, we'll let old folks and infants die because they were stupid enough to live in an arid environment.
If a volcano is about to erupt in Hawaii, let's not have a rescue effort to get people out before it blows. Hey, it's their fault for living there.
Many here seem they can separate economics from humanity. Fine. But from a purely economical standpoint, we need to rebuild New Orleans. Unless, of course, you really want to pay ten bucks a gallon for gas.
Denny
Of course if Wisconsin is hit by a huge snow and ice storm, power and all other services go out, we'll just let everyone freeze to death. Ya'll should not have moved to a cold climate.
And if the power fails in Arizona and there's no AC, we'll let old folks and infants die because they were stupid enough to live in an arid environment.
If a volcano is about to erupt in Hawaii, let's not have a rescue effort to get people out before it blows. Hey, it's their fault for living there.
Many here seem they can separate economics from humanity. Fine. But from a purely economical standpoint, we need to rebuild New Orleans. Unless, of course, you really want to pay ten bucks a gallon for gas.
Denny
Rich Lucibella
Staff
You don't get it, do you Trip? We've got friends and neighbors who are only getting back on line now after fleeing one of the worst disasters in this nation's history. They don't know where their family's are; they don't know if they still have jobs; they don't know if they still have homes; and many don't even know where they're gonna go.What the "no" people are saying is lets use some COMMON SENSE so we do not get ourselves in a similar situation down the road.
And we're gonna welcome them back with a detached discussion about whether we need to bulldoze what's left of their city, homes and lives? Good God, man. Have we really lost all sense of compassion?
Rich