Real ID = Real destruction of freedom...

Excerpted from the OK legislation. This is fully half of the bill, it's short and sweet as far as laws go. Emphasis added by me on the juicy parts:

A. 1. The Legislature finds that the enactment into law by the United States Congress of the federal REAL ID Act of 2005, Public Law Number 109-13, is inimical to the security and well-being of the people of Oklahoma, will cause approximately Eight Million Dollars ($8,000,000.00) in added expense and inconvenience to our state, and was adopted by the United States Congress in violation of the principles of federalism contained in the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

2. The State of Oklahoma shall not participate in the implementation of the REAL ID Act of 2005. The Department of Public Safety is hereby directed not to implement the provisions of the REAL ID Act of 2005 and to report to the Governor and the Legislature any attempt by agencies or agents of the United States Department of Homeland Security to secure the implementation of the REAL ID Act of 2005 through the operations of that or any other state department.
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I especially like the part that directs our DPS to tell the Governor and Legislature if they get hassled by Homeland Security.
 
RealGun...

For now, I concede that who is a "law abiding citizen" cannot be known without good ID and a premise to ask for its presentation.
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That totally kills the idea "innocent until proven guilty". As for good ID, is my passport and driver's license not good enough ID? It's also be stated, if we REALLY want to crack down on illegal immigration then a card system is useless. Close the borders and guard our ports of entry if you're so concerned about illegals. How exactly will Real ID protect me if say an identity thief somehow gets a hold of it to abuse and exploit it? With the advent of the internet identity theft is a fairly common problem. Even worse is the fact that private companies may lobby government to gain information on citizens. That is definitely NOT cool in my book, and how many times does our government say "no" when they are lobbied by big money? Like I said before, it is not the government's business where I go or what I do, so long as I am not committing any crime.


Epyon

EDIT: The idea of tracking chips in the cards are not rumors, look it up, they do plan to place some kind of tracking on the cards. Is this what it means to be a free citizen?
 
The idea of tracking chips in the cards are not rumors, look it up, they do plan to place some kind of tracking on the cards. Is this what it means to be a free citizen?
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That's paranoid. They are not going to be tracking chips. They will have a strip that can be run thru card readers. They can track where they have been swiped, but they can do the same now with your license on traffic stops, credit cards, membership cards, etc.
 
As for good ID, is my passport and driver's license not good enough ID?
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What if you don't have a passport? I don't. What's the difference between getting a passport, including being required to carry and present it, and getting an ID card? I think one would have to allow complete amnesty to those here illegally, both now and in the future, if heaven forbid, you could not ask anyone for a standard form of conclusive ID. Being absolute about freedom and liberty can be a suicide pact.
 
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That's paranoid. They are not going to be tracking chips. They will have a strip that can be run thru card readers. They can track where they have been swiped, but they can do the same now with your license on traffic stops, credit cards, membership cards, etc.
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I believe at one point at least they were talking about implementing RFID chips in them. Maybe they still are. Such chips can be read at a distance without the owner's knowledge. So while not "tracking chips" in the "Big Brother can pinpoint your location at all times" sense, when combined with strategically placed readers they may be useful in tracking an individual's movements.
 
nothing to see here folks. move along. if you dont support a national id card you obviously arent patriotic. well anyways, american idol is on tonight!
 
EricTheBarbarian...

How sad but true...:(:(:(

RealGun: If you don't have your passport I would think a driver's license will do. If that fails, birth certificate, SSN, or tax ID number. Aren't those identity enough? If you have a Real ID system what if the illegals decide to still stay and create their own economy or something? I'm sure it'd just make a black market somewhere. If Real ID is also about security, then it's a terrible idea, because if someone wants to blow something up they will, and all the cards will do is identify the bodies. (Kinda reminds me of high school the year after Columbine happened.)


Epyon
 
Well from what I have read the Real ID Act violates

10th Amendment in several different ways

free excercise of religion
a. some religions dont believe in photos
b. some religions beleive the SSN is the mark of the beast

right to travel

right of assembly

right to petition

lack of due process

Hopefully the constitutional arguments will make the Real ID Act null and void.
 
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