Re: In what condition do you carry your 1911

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Whatever condition you carry , most of the time you set up your condition at home indoors. 99% of us are very careful when doing this , don't be a 1%er finger off the trigger at all times. I think of it as a handkerchief in my back pocket, don't fiddle with it , touch it only when you have to use it. Be Save
 
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Bill DeShivs said:
Another possibility is that someone completed an "80%" frame and installed a Singer slide-but that's unlikely. This would be legal, BTW.
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This would be legal for the person who initially completed the 80% receiver. Doesn't the law require the maker to apply a serial number and the name, city and state of the maker if the firearm is ever sold?
 
http://coolgunsite.com/images/1911/singer1911a1.htm

In 1939 Singer was awarded a Production study of the Model 1911A1 pistol. This included prep of drawings, researching of production methods, and development of standard raw material sizes. On April 17th, 1940 Singer was awarded a educational order of 500 units to manufacture of the Model 1911A1 pistol. These pistols where numbered No. S800001 - S800500.

... Singer delivered only 500 pistols to the Ordnance Department, however an unknown number of pistols were made for factory employees although these were generally un-numbered and uninspected.
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In other words, a Singer 1911 without a serial number was not and is not a military M1911A1.
 
An individual can "manufacture" a non-NFA gun without a serial number, as long as it is made with no particular intention to resell.
An individual can legally sell that same gun (without SN) as he would any other gun in his possession. The SN requirement is for licensed manufacturers.

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Unless the Singer was specifically exempted by ATF, the gun would be contraband and possession a felony. But, I doubt ATF would pursue the matter.

We don't need to get into a pissing match about qualifications. Some of mine are on my web site.
 
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And we are all glad you are here!
Post counts have nothing to do with my remarks.
I just don't like to see erroneous information spread.
 
Bleh on Iver Johnson Arms 1911s.

I'm more interested in their Pocket Ace 4-barrel .22.

And I love their logo. One very pissed off looking owl. :D
 
oldfart1944 said:
Here is a listing of 1911 makers. Pick a card!

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A great many of the names on your list are not "makers" of 1911s, they are (or were -- some are out of business) importers and/or distributors of 1911s.

For example, American Classic is a name, not a maker. American tactical is a distributor, not a maker. Cimmaron, Citadel, Iver-Johnson, Charles Daly, Firestorm, Regent, Rock Island Armory ... names, not the actual manufacturers.
 
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A great many of the names on your list are not "makers" of 1911s, they are (or were -- some are out of business) importers and/or distributors of 1911s.

For example, American Classic is a name, not a maker. American tactical is a distributor, not a maker. Cimmaron, Citadel, Iver-Johnson, Charles Daly, Firestorm, Regent, Rock Island Armory ... names, not the actual manufacturers.

And your point is? I still think they are junk and I don't want to carry one!
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:confused: His point is pretty clear to me. You posted a list of names you said were makers of 1911 pistols. Aguila Blanca merely pointed out as a statement of fact that "...a great many of the names on your list are not 'makers' of 1911s,...". Like I said, nothing confusing about his factual correction.
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No need to get so defensive, oldfart1944. Aquila Blanca merely pointed out a discrepancy in your summation of alleged 1911 pistol makers (your word). No big deal; all is fine. We all make errors from time to time...even me (though mine are always typos or semantics; never something I'm wrong about). :o
 
I carry mine cocked and locked, however as an MP stationed in Germany we carried them with a loaded magazine with the hammer down on an empty chamber.
When we went on patrol with the German Police (Polizie) they made us chamber a round and carry it cocked and locked. Occasionally caused an accidental discharge into the clearing bucket when firearms were being returned to the arms room.

Not a good thing....
 
Occasionally caused an accidental discharge into the clearing bucket when firearms were being returned to the arms room.
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Actually happened on Guam at the Andersen AFB, where I was stationed in 1963 as an Air Policeman. I was standing in line as we cleared our weapons (1911 pistols) at the "clearing bucket" when a shot "rang out". I don't know the sequence of events but I do know we were supposed to be carrying our pistols with the chamber empty and the hammer down. Somehow, one of my fellow Air Policemen managed to shoot himself in the palm of his hand as he was "clearing" his weapon.

Don't know how it happened but I was there when it did.
 
oldfart1944 said:
Funny, that list came right off the 1911.org forums and from the administrator as well.
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You had me going there for a minute. I know the administrator of M1911.org, and I was pretty certain he wouldn't have made such a post. So I just wasted 20 minutes running a bunch of fruitless searches on his forum, and I found ... nothing.

So then I went to the other 1911 forum, 1911forum.com. I ran one search, and found the post to which you refer. So DSK posted it, and he's one of the admins of a forum. That doesn't make it correct. As an example, I know for a fact that Rock Island is only the name that Armscor currently puts on the guns they import into the U.S. Armscor (Arms Corporation of the Philippines) is a maker; Rock Island is not. Fifteen or twenty years ago, Armscor 1911s were imported under the Twin Pines moniker; DSK missed that one entirely.

He also lists S.A.M. and Shooters Arms as two different makers. S.A.M. is Shooters Arms Manufacturing.

I could go on, but why? There are a lot of companies and custom gunsmiths making 1911s today, and a lot of other companies selling them. That just makes it a popular platform. It doesn't seem to have much to do with the topic of this discussion thread, which is what condition people carry their 1911(s) in. And later in that thread, DSK acknowledged that he made no attempt to differentiate between brand names and actual manufacturers.

For anyone who is interested, here's the link to the actual discussion.
https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=280059&highlight=irwindale+arms+industries+iai

We now return you to your regularly scheduled debate over what condition is best for carrying a 1911 ...
 
damienph said:
I carry mine cocked and locked, however as an MP stationed in Germany we carried them with a loaded magazine with the hammer down on an empty chamber.
When we went on patrol with the German Police (Polizie) they made us chamber a round and carry it cocked and locked. Occasionally caused an accidental discharge into the clearing bucket when firearms were being returned to the arms room.

Not a good thing....
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MP use standard military flap holsters, do they not? How did you keep a locked and cocked pistol in there and close the flap? I tried and I can't. You were carrying tanker's shoulder holsters?

-TL
 
There is plenty of room in the old leather 1911 holsters for cocked and locked. I don't know what type of holster you were using but no problem for any of the leather gear that I was issued at Fort Gordon, GA or Mannheim Germany between 1973 and 1976.

And no they were not tankers chest holsters. When were you an MP? I am curious what type of holsters you were issued.
 
damienph said:
There is plenty of room in the old leather 1911 holsters for cocked and locked. I don't know what type of holster you were using but no problem for any of the leather gear that I was issued at Fort Gordon, GA or Mannheim Germany between 1973 and 1976.

And no they were not tankers chest holsters. When were you an MP? I am curious what type of holsters you were issued.
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I have a M1916. Something like this

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=153909

Never have served in any armed forces. But I am interested in history and collect milsurp items.

-TL
 
oldfart1944 said:
If you would like to have one of my overpriced 1911 build ups just let me know. Hell I will even build you one that will take out the trash and scratch your back if you have enough money.
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:) Thanks, but I enjoy tinkering. I'm very happy with the ones I build.
 
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