Range report: Walther PPK vs. Sig P232

If the new S&W PPK's are biting your hand, lose some weight you giant tub. You must have obese hands to be bitten by a gun with a rear tang the size of this one.
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I'm just a tad over 6 ft tall and 170 lbs, so obviously not obese. However, I've never shot a "New S&W PPK" and never will. Its not hammer bite that gets people its slide bite.
 
I'm just a tad over 6 ft tall and 170 lbs, so obviously not obese. However, I've never shot a "New S&W PPK" and never will. Its not hammer bite that gets people its slide bite.
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Yes, you have obviously never shot one. The rear tang prevents slide bit.
 
S&W Walther PPK etching

I love my S&W PPK...... I took it completely apart, deburred it, knocked down the sharp edges, put it back together, it's great, beautiful gun.....
The etching or engraving that says S&W, you can feel, like it turned up a tiny burr when it was etched...... I would like to sand that off...... but I don't want to mess up the beautiful stainless finish...... any ideas?
 
Great writeup. I love the Walther PPK, and most definitely hope to have one in my collection (stainless with wood grips, just like yours). But I am also a huge Sig Sauer fan. The Sig Sauer P232 is a great interpretation of the classic and timeless styling of the Walther PPK. There are a lot of PPK knockoffs out there, but the Sig P232 is one of the few guns that have significantly copied the PPK's design -- but also significantly altered it -- that "works".

If I had to choose just one, I think I would go with the PPK because of its history, and its timeless design that will always look good and will never "go out of style".
 
Sig P232 vs. Walther PPK/S

I'm looking at a Sig P232 right now for concealed carry as my P239 is a bit too large and heavy for summer-time carry. My father has an older Sig P230 and I really enjoyed shooting/carrying it. I just got my wife a Ruger LCP for concealed carry but I'm looking for something that i can carry and shoot at the range and the LCP isn't a comfortable gun to shoot. I reload .380 so the ammo shortage really doesn't bother me...
 
I recently sold my P230 for several reasons. There is no doubt it is a great looking solid piece. However, for practical use, I couldn't find much to like. It was not reliable with JHP ammo, it's was extremely snappy, heavy for a .380 by today's standards, heavy trigger, and fairly expensive.

I certainly understand why a gun collector would want one. However for practical carry, my TCP blows it out of the water. It's much easier to conceal, every bit as accurate, reliable with all ammo, and more comfortable to shoot. The newer .380s don't have the history, classic look, or price tag. The do have a level of functionality not found on the Sig IMO.

I should add that I do want a Walther PPK just to have one. One of the best looking guns around IMO.
 
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I constantly get double feeds and the gun has no slide lock. So it's 60 seconds to unjam, it takes three hands, and it's dangerous
 
Are you searching out EVERY P232 thread on the internet or what? The last bunch have been dead awhile.


Did you ever get your P232 back from SIG (again), and if so, what was the problem?
 
Grips

Nice grips on the PPK. Are they aftermarket? I'd like to dress my PPK in some. I haven't been able to find any decent grips. Anyone know where I might find something nice?

Thanks,

DJ
 
Are you searching out EVERY P232 thread on the internet or what? The last bunch have been dead awhile.
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You try a double feed on a Sig p232. Talk about an accident waiting to happen. There is no slide lock.
 
:rolleyes:

As always, you have again avoided my question, and just ramble on and on. How about actually having a discussion? Think thats possible?

So, have you got your gun back from SIG (remember, you said you sent it back again), and have they fixed the problem?

There is no slide lock.
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Sure there is. It also doubles as the ejector.
 
AK --- There is no slide lock ..... no manual lock .... there is an internal lock.


Double Feed Jam .... Gun fires, slide recoils, shell drops as it clears barrel, slide continues back, comes forward, picks up a live round, and attempts to chamber it.

1. You must drop the mag

2. Turn the loaded pistol sideways

3. Pull back the slide, and shake the dead round out while holding the slide

4. Hope the slide doesn't slip and the gun goes "Boom"


You see Mr AK, the magazine works the slide lock .... and it must be empty, because the mag follower is what pushes the slide lock up. There is no external slide lock. The 232 lack of an external lock is another design flaw
 
Beating a Dead horse.. But have you let some one else shoot it? You still did not anserw AK's Question about getting it back from sig. The gun is a Blowback and if you dont have a strong grip (limp wrist) the gun may not eject the empty shell with force. I get that you want a slide lock to fix this "problem" but if you dont like the way it works get rid of it.
 
You see Mr AK, the magazine works the slide lock .... and it must be empty, because the mag follower is what pushes the slide lock up. There is no external slide lock. The 232 lack of an external lock is another design flaw
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The lack of an external slide stop lever isnt a flaw at all, and its really unnecessary. SIG should adopt it on some of their other models, and there would be less issues with unfamiliar shooters. SIG isnt the only gun to not have one, and the others seem to work fine too.

Heres a simple way to lock the slide back, if youre interested. Holding the gun in your right hand, if you pull the slide to the rear with your left hand, with an overhand grip, thumb on the left side of the gun and pointing towards you, you can slip your pinky of the same hand into the ejection port as the slide goes all the way back, grab the stop with the tip of your finger, and lift it up and lock the slide back.

You can do this when a mag isnt present, or in the case of a double feed. Its very simple, and works well.


4. Hope the slide doesn't slip and the gun goes "Boom"
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Why would it?


What did SIG say about your gun? Did they fix it or find anything wrong with it? Hey, I thought Id just sneak that in there again and catch you off guard. Who knows, maybe theres a secret number of tries or something. :)

Beating a Dead horse..
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We're down to pounding the ground now, the remains of the horse have been long gone. :)

I will say though, there have been one or two almost lucid replies in a couple of other places around the web, but they were really just a bubble popping in space. Ive been asking in those places too, and still, no answers, just the same old one liners.

Who knows, maybe this is just a misplaced airsoft question. I didnt know they made an airsoft P232, but Im starting to think maybe they do. :)
 
Mr AK - You really don't understand how a gun functions

In a p232 if there is a double jam, the slide lock is inside the gun, behind the two jammed bullets. You can't get to it.

Clearing the jam

1....Rip the mag out

2... Pull the slide back and shake the spent cartridge out

3....Try and get the live bullet out

This requires three hands, and you are dealing with a live gun. Even at the range it's a miserable jam.

Now if this was a 'Self defense' situation .... you will be the loser. If you have the SS p232, then you can throw it at the mugger, rapist, etc.

I went to a gun show yesterday and all I got offered was $200 on a trade in. I got $900 in that gun.
 
TheSkunk, you have been asked many times if you have received the gun from SIG. You keep avoiding answering, and continuing to rant about a normal feature of the gun. I guess this means you did no homework prior to purchasing it. Bad on you.

Now, has SIG repaired and returned your gun, or not? We really don't care about the slide atop.
 
TheSkunk, you have been asked many times if you have received the gun from SIG. You keep avoiding answering, and continuing to rant about a normal feature of the gun. I guess this means you did no homework prior to purchasing it. Bad on you.

Now, has SIG repaired and returned your gun, or not? We really don't care about the slide atop.
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The gun has been to Sig twice for repair, and still doesn't work. Sig Sauer America is clueless. They just say "It was manufactured to specs".

The only reason this thread stays alive is I am just answering your replies.
 
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