Range Rental Suicides

"Tell me this, Double Naught Spy. You think the incidents would NOT increase if there was NO Secret Service present? Didn't think so. Your example only proves my point."

Do you think a secret service agent could keep the president from shooting himself? Does the president get a pat down every hour or minute of the day? NO.
 
If we're gonna keep posting possible solutions, we might want to be more explicit about what "problem" we're trying to solve here.

If the goal is to prevent people from committing suicide... well, yes, they're going to find a way to do it if they really want to, so we're probably not going to solve that one.

If the goal is to keep people from killing themselves at shooting ranges, the best way to do it probably would be for the range not to rent guns, period; if someone has a gun already, they're probably not going to go to a range just in order to do themselves in there. A close second best would be renting only to people who bring a gun, for the same reason.

This would complicate matters for people who are new to the sport and trying to decide on a first purchase, but there are ways around this; for example, someone who doesn't currently own a gun and wants to try some out could go to the range with a friend who does have one... I doubt that most potential suicides would choose to bring a buddy along. (Especially when there's some likelihood that they could just borrow the gun from the friend to do the deed.)

Another alternative would be to rent only to people who either bring a gun or put up a hefty cash deposit (say, several hundred dollars, in cash, not on a credit card). If they're thinking about a purchase, they presumably have that kind of money; and if they're suicidal, they may well not, given that financial problems are right up there among the reasons for suicide. The main problem with this would be security: carrying that much cash might feel a bit dicey, but then I doubt that people going in and out of shooting ranges get mugged too often. ;)

Or a person could put the deposit on a card and have to wait a couple of days for the charge to clear: as good as cash for the range, no security issue, and easy to issue a refund when they're done renting. It would suck for friendless poor folks who just like to rent a gun once in a while, but no solution is perfect... And this would, in effect, act as a "cooling-off" period for a potential suicide, as well; it would fit right in with Glenn's idea of a waiting period for new customers.

Having a competent range officer on duty is a good idea for so many reasons NOT having to do with suicide prevention that it's almost not worth discussing...

If the goal is to keep people from committing suicide with guns (and thereby contributing to the bad rep of the latter), we're probably not going to fix that one, either, short of passing laws we'd all hate and/or think were unconstitutional.

And for what it's worth, this isn't the best idea:
LoneStarWings said:
If you must do it at least choose a private place so you only inconvenience your family instead of random people in the general public.
It really sucks to find a family member who's just shot himself. Please don't ask me how I know this. Choose a private place, by all means, but fix it so you're found by law enforcement -- it's the polite thing to do.
 
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Thats so stupid that people involve the Range owners, operatives and other shooters in their suicide. Therapy isnt cheap. Beleive me I know. If that happened I would pretend I didnt see it and keep shooting. What is the point in involving others? Everybody Ive known to commit suicide did their best to not traumatize others and not make a mess. These people are so pathetic that they cant take the time to open up the pill cabinet and search for the right stuff? What is the world coming to?
 
We had a indoor range that was about a mile from my house, and I used to shoot there three or four times a week. They rented pistols, and had two rental suicides; then stopped renting pistols. Subsequently a fellow bought a pistol, passed the clearance process and after the 10 day wait, picked up his pistol and bought a box of ammunition. He then signed into the range, loaded the pistol and shot himself. How do you stop this? The last was a homicide/suicide. Two guys on the range, the only two on the range, got into an argument; one complained of the other's heavy muzzle blast, the one with the "magnum pistol" complained about the other's "rapid fire" shooting. The range officer spoke to them by the comm system, from behind the 3" thick Lexan window, but the bickering continued. Suddenly "magnum pistol" turned from firing down range and shot "rapid fire" several times. "Magnum pistol" then resumed shooting down range. The Police were called. In the time before the officers arrived "magnum pistol" shot "rapid fire" several more times as he lay on the floor, then committed suicide. The indoor range closed the following week, as their insurance company pulled their policy, and they could not acquire insurance coverage from any other carrier. :confused:
 
The query was asked...
What is a range officer going to do if your going to kill yourself?

And Tuttle8 replied...
Ask a well TRAINED RO.

I balked at the suggestion that an RO would make a difference to which Tuttle8 replied...

Look, folks. Read my last post again. Range officer PRESENCE COULD, NOT WILL, deter an attempted suicide. I'm not asserting an RO should physically put himself in harm's way to stop it.

So riddle me this, Tuttle8, what is this well trained RO going to do to stop the suicide if not put himself somehow in harm's way? Where do we get this RO training that deals with stopping suicides without risk so that we may become well trained ROs?

So what is the well trained RO going to do? While I did like the evasive response of asking a well trained RO, it wasn't covered in my RO classes (2 different ranges) and I have spoken with a police RO and he told me flat out that if a person wants to commit suicide, you aren't going to be able to stop them. So what is the big secret that you aren't divulging to us about how the well trained RO 'could' stop this and do so without the risk?
 
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