r.i.p. ammo

I didn't get a chance to post any pictures of my targets from yesterday, but I did put into practice some new things I learned on youtube. The results was my groups really tightened up.
 
oh geez, do people actually believe this crap?

That’s because if people start using their bullets, pretty much every person who gets shot will die

WHAT!!??
What kind of fear motivates you that you need to surround yourself constantly with the killing power of a small nation’s military?
 
I bought a box of 9mm. Not because I believe it to be the next best thing in self-defense though. I bought it because it's such a novelty that I kinda just had to have it, lol. Maybe they'll be worth 10x what I paid in 10 years
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All this ammo discussion confuses me, and I’m sure it confuses less knowledgeable persons even more. Many people here claim ball ammo for self defense is a bad idea because it over penetrates. Then they will turn around and say fragmentation ammo is a bad idea because of lack of penetration. So something in between those two must be just right, or is it?

R.I.P. web site shows something like 14 inches of penetration. If the shot doesn’t hit bone, 14 inches of penetration will pass through an average human body. That’s back to over penetration!

Which is it? Which is best? No one has the answer, do they? It’s all opinion, isn’t it?

A .22LR hyper velocity that hits nothing but soft tissue will pass through the average human body. Do we all need to use .22 short for defense? .22 BB caps?

There really it’s an answer, is there?
 
Mike38 said:
Many people here claim ball ammo for self defense is a bad idea because it over penetrates. Then they will turn around and say fragmentation ammo is a bad idea because of lack of penetration. So something in between those two must be just right, or is it?
Yes, that's right. Ball ammo tends to over-penetrate, and fragmenting ammo almost always under-penetrates at handgun velocities. Normal JHP rounds expand to cause a larger wound channel and less penetration, but they still usually penetrate far enough to do the job.

Mike38 said:
R.I.P. web site shows something like 14 inches of penetration. If the shot doesn’t hit bone, 14 inches of penetration will pass through an average human body. That’s back to over penetration!
The RIP Web site is full of you-know-what. Actual independent tests show different results.

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Which is it? Which is best? No one has the answer, do they? It’s all opinion, isn’t it?
JHP ammo provides the best balance of penetration and expansion. This isn't a matter of opinion; the FBI and other law enforcement agencies around the country have been testing this for decades now, and they all have arrived at the same conclusion. There's a reason why they all use JHPs in their duty handguns.
 
marine6680. finally got around to doing what you suggested today. I shot a couple of groups at 10 yards I posted pics of both of them. The first one was with the hollow points as you suggested I shot one magazine full of them. I will say they performed flawlessly. No jams nothing funny. The second was with my my practice fmj rounds. I feel like my groups sucked, they seemed to be all over the place.
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You can definitely work on your groups... But you are doing better than a lot of people I see at the range.

If you get a chance, run some more hollow points through the pistol. Always good to be sure about your ammo.
 
I plan on running 1 or 2 more mags of hollow points through it once I get the money. I know I can tighten up my groups. I think my biggest problem is losing focus trying to go to quick. My grip and stance is good I need to work on holdinf sight alignment and trigger control.
 
Go slow, and the speed will come... It really comes down to the type of shooting you want to do. Shooting for groups, or a more practical type of shooting.

After you start getting groups of about fist size at 7yds, then try to increase speed.
 
Defensive/fighting

Hits matter more than pinpoint accuracy... You want to hit where you are aiming, but its generally better to be fast and close, than slow and dead on.

Some teach double taps, or multiple hits. As long as you are hitting center of mass, with about a 6-8in diameter... and doing it quickly... That is good enough.

Practice can keep your shots to a smaller diameter grouping, which is preferable. Though I have seen an instructor say that if you are hitting shots that close... you should be shooting faster.

Those guys on youtube getting two shots off in half a second onto steel silhouette targets... looks and sounds impressive, but most of them are making hits with several inches distance between them, you can tell this when they use fresh painted targets.

The guys that do serious competition.... they can shoot quick and make smaller groups, but they fire thousands of rounds in a week for training.


Bullseye type shooting, which is shooting for the best group you can, is a different mindset, and how you train for it and the techniques involved are different, though similar in some ways.

Its always good to practice shooting for groups regularly even if you are more focused on practical shooting. As it helps things like trigger control, and focus. I always start my range session with a mag or two at a more leisurely pace. When my target/mind/muscles are fresh, and my body is at its calmest. One shot every second or so, no faster, brings my groups down to the 1-2in range depending on the distance and how I'm doing that day...

I could slow down even more, and rest after every shot or two, which keeps your muscles from being as tense and tiring. I can make some small groups that way... But I usually just keep at the nice one shot a second pace until the mag is empty.

After that I focus on shooting faster, in pairs, or more shots... sometimes I fire the whole mag quickly... Going for groups no bigger than 4in, though I do make a couple fliers sometimes.


Everyone is different, and how they train, their views on what is best... its all personal in the end.

Above all, I want to have fun while at the range.
 
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