r.i.p. ammo

Yes...look objectively at what is most likely to adequately protect you. This applies to tactics, training, firearm, caliber, ammo choice, etc.

A lot of what has been said about CYA in a courtroom is valid. Everything will be questioned. Why did you take that "tactical" firearms training course? Why that huge caliber and not something smaller? Why that deadly hollow point/expanding ammo? Why that deadly +p round rather than a "regular" round? Why did you have those "hot" reloads? Why did you modify your gun with night sights, that match grade barrel, the extended "high capacity" magazine, disable the manual safety, etc? Why did you shoot at all? Why didn't you just run or just comply or kick him in the testicles or lie down and play dead or fake a heart attack? Clearly you must have been out to do as much harm to someone as possible. Questions from prosecutors and plaintiff's attorneys WILL get ridiculous. If you think too much about it, it can drive you nuts and can even make some people decide that carrying a potentially deadly weapon is not for them. I do think there is some validity to the point of using the same equipment that you local PD uses but, again, they are "highly trained and authorized to pursue deadly criminals", whereas you are "just a regular citizen."

These discussions are interesting and can provide useful information, but, ultimately, only you can decide what is right for you. Be as thoughtful and objective as possible without driving yourself crazy...because it can.

Now we are officially off the track of the OP's question. :D
 
Sparks1957
"The anti-gunners count on people to feel that way. In fact, maybe you should just give that right to bear arms, as it would make everyone feel all better."

Why is it wrong to think ahead and prepare for not just the altercation but the trial after? I don't think that thinking ahead requires giving up my right to bear arms, but there are just other brands with less murdery names that would do the job better than a death-dealer-100 round
 
We did go off on a tangent with the ammo... But it was related.


Yes the rounds are of very questionable effectiveness in stopping a threat. I also think the design is more likely to cause malfunction in some firearms, depending on the geometries of feeding the round.

Their appearance and name do not help you if you are brought to court for defending yourself.

That is the long and short of it.
 
If the InnocentSeeker9000 actually had 30% more expansion than gold dot with identical penetration I'd use it in spite of the name. If it's actually worse than gold dot, though, the name isn't helping on the sale.
 
I feel this is also related to this discussion. Was talking with a guy at work about this topic and he told me if you are an NRA member there is some kind of insurance you can get for $125 that if you ever did shoot anyone in self defense they would provide you with a layer for free. Does anyone know if this is true?
 
Nothing to do with guns, but I knew of a case where a man almost went to prison when he, completely accidentally, hit a child with his truck. There was very little chance of any charges UNTIL the prosecutor got a look at the massive black truck and the big "TERMINATOR" painted on it, with a skull and crossbones, and "KILL 'EM ALL..." in smaller letters. He decided that the truck showed the mindset of someone who had a disregard for human life, and brought manslaughter charges. The guy got off, but it took a good lawyer, a lot of money, and some luck.

Jim
 
I think the message here overall is you better make dang sure it's a justified shoot if you have to shoot--regardless of the ammo or weapon used.
 
stagdpanther said:
I think the message here overall is you better make dang sure it's a justified shoot if you have to shoot--regardless of the ammo or weapon used.
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You're not the one who gets to decide whether it's a justified shoot or not. If you were, obviously EVERYONE would decide that their shoot was "justified".

You can be getting your head pounded into the concrete, dang sure that you're in danger of death or serious injury, and the jury will still get to decide whether you were justified or not. A guy named Zimmerman demonstrated that rather well not to long ago.
 
I could care less about how its viewed in a courtroom, I care that the "trocars?" Don't even penetrate pig skin. So you just paid 40$ for some 80gr wadcutters. If I wanted the best round for looking cool when shooting gel-filled balloons, RIP would be my first choice,. If o wanted to stop an attacker I would grab a box of hornadays. I have some DRT bullets for pumpkin bustin
 
You're not the one who gets to decide whether it's a justified shoot or not. If you were, obviously EVERYONE would decide that their shoot was "justified".

You can be getting your head pounded into the concrete, dang sure that you're in danger of death or serious injury, and the jury will still get to decide whether you were justified or not. A guy named Zimmerman demonstrated that rather well not to long ago.
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I agree with skizz--I'd rather argue my case in court than have no say from 6 ft down. When the time comes--you'll know it.
 
skizzums said:
I could care less about how its viewed in a courtroom
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Your life, your choice. Legions of lawyers are glad you feel that way!

Lots of people out there who have to stick their hand in the fire for themselves before they believe that it's hot.
 
I feel this is also related to this discussion. Was talking with a guy at work about this topic and he told me if you are an NRA member there is some kind of insurance you can get for $125 that if you ever did shoot anyone in self defense they would provide you with a layer for free. Does anyone know if this is true?
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I wouldn't be surprised if the NRA has an insurance they recommend. I don't know where you are but here in Texas there are at least a couple insurance company's that will provide a lawyer to represent you for the criminal part. This is lawyer only and does not include professional witnesses or probably many other cost. The one I am signed up with (Texas law Shield) does not provide a lawyer for any civil suit or at least the coverage I buy doesn't.

Hope this helps.
 
Model12 I see what your talking about, now that I read read the thread that John posted the link to. Thanks for the info, and yes I am a young padawan with much to learn just bought my first handgun less than a week ago.
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Awesome! Well this is a great place to learn, glad to help! :D
 
if someone came out with the best handgun bullet ever and called it the "brainGRINDer", I wouldn't buy it. I wouldn't even give it a try. because any company that makes up silly gimmicky names like that is obviously not selling the best handgun bullet ever.

it's not that I would be worried about a bullet being called the "chest-exploder", it's that I don't trust a company that would use those kind of tactics in their advertising. if you have a stupid name like that, then your not obviously letting the quality and reputation of your bullet speak for itself. it' a GIMMICK. i'm not mad at g2r RIP, I hope they makes lots of money off of it. I think the idea was innovative, but they found out off the bat that the bullet didn't perform like they hoped, so they went full "ninja" to sell to younger, new shooters. more power to them. and in the unlikely event that a RIP bullet is used in self-defense, it will still probably do the job despite not being the best option available.
 
I think I'll start up a company to manufacture ammo, and give really soft, fuzzy names to the product lines like "powderpuff", "fuzzy bunny", "gentle rain", etc.

Should be wildly successful, eh? ;)
 
How do I look in court if I used a Steyr Mannlicher to defend myself?
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If you went to court with a weapon I suspect it would be a very short trial.
I think I'll start up a company to manufacture ammo, and give really soft, fuzzy names to the product lines like "powderpuff", "fuzzy bunny", "gentle rain", etc.

Should be wildly successful, eh?
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I had the same idea--I was thinking "blueberry pancakes" or "morning blossoms"
 
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