Put your favorite manufacturers on a shelf. :)

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when I think of custom guns I think of a stripped frame with the all the "customiZation" a gunsmith builds a "one off" true custom gun unlike anyone elses. I own several custom raceguns and every one of them is built by different smiths. A true custom is a bunch of parts I specifically wanted and gave the guy creative freedom or get talked into certain parts or cuts for various reasons. A custom gun is built just for YOU. Their are no doubles, limited editions. Nighthawk custom, Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, make semi custom guns that are hand fit by a single smith, but you can't ask Wilson to cut panels or lighten the slide, throw an SV triglide (ITS trigger system, koenig hammer and crisply broken glass like trigger at say oh 18oz. And prefer an SV barstock wide ambi. Nighthawk won't build me a 6" SS for practical shooting... You are stuck with their Components.. True customs are made by these tiny garage machine shops most of you have probably never heard of. There are literally thousands of em in the US. They might make a dozen to 100 or so guns a year and no 2 are identical. You can get a custom built gun from your own design at Strayer-Voight infinity Where there are basic designs that you can use for reference but every build is 100% custom built to suit your needs. Check out sviguns.com or their gunbuilder.com. Most custom smiths don't have websites, so their difficult to find unless you shoot competitively where almost everyone is shooting a custom built pistol. Then you will learn of companies like millenium custom, radical precision designs, Howard Smith, brazos custom gunworks, sailor's custom, canyon creek custom, bedell custom, JLHardy, J-V Dynamics, matt cheely, man mountain engineering, kodiak precision, etc. Etc!
 
Infinity is the one custom shop I know of and mentioned. Truly beautiful pieces. I'd absolutely love to have one, but am sure they are in the 5 or 6 range.
 
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you can get into a sv for around $2500. For a nice 2011 widebody I.M.M open pistol your lookin at 4-5k and a sitetracker 2011 with the best of everything for limited division ipsc/USPSA will top out around $3200. Tiki pistols are neat 'lil auto. I saw one engraved & hard chromed that must of cost $10k w all the gold inlays and the quality of engraving that rivals that of the U.S Mint!
 
Interesting...at least I can consider one now(referring to the least inexpensive model mentioned). Still have to justify one though. All my guns are SD practical(even my 1000dollar ones) and I don't compete. Thanks for the info SV_shooter.
 
TOP SHELF:

-The ones in my holster, when I needed them. That is the finest gun money can buy.
-Any one of my guns that has eaten a few million rounds of ammo sans hiccups.
-Any gun that has saved my bacon - I would gladly pay for it all over again.
-The little pocket auto I actually shoved into my pocket because it was next to my keys.
-The gun I reach for, loaded and ready to perform when I hear a bump in the night.

LOWER SHELVES:

-All the other guns that did not make the top shelf, for whatever reason. If your job is to shoot deer or targets, you are important and I might like you, but you are not top shelfage material. You are a luxury, not a necessity. You sit in the safe all day - you do not work like the other guns.
-The gun that was too big to pack that day that I left it at home.
-The gun that is not completely reliable.
-The gun that someone else is pointing at me.
These represent a poor value to me, and I would not purchase them once, or again.
 
"blobbish"?

looked it up even,no luck.

like a blob maybe?

personally,the look itself has taken time to grow on me...but ive always thought it had some of the sleekest lines ive seen on a polymer.

You don't remember THE BLOB?? It was one of Steve McQueen's best movies ever.

Here is a poster from the movie:

theblob.jpg



What Playboy really meant by his comments were that the M&P is much like the Blob, in that it is indescribable, indestructible, and cannot be stopped.

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Kel-Tec != Raven, nor does even the ugly HiPoints. Bottom shelf should be comprised entirely of the other pot-metal guns you listed. You must really hate Kel-Tec to put them in that category. :D

Dan Wesson is a great value 1911, belongs next to Kimber since they both have had their runs of troublesome models.

Para Ordnance can also drop another shelf. Their PXT is universally despised by the competitive crowd. Proprietary part which fails regularly after a few thousand rounds.

If a polymer HK can make 2nd shelf, then by all means a Glock should. I don't even like Glocks. On second though, perhaps HK's infamous support ought to drop them a shelf.

Colt is not a top shelf product today. They're no better than Kimber/Wesson on 3rd shelf. As far as I know, they don't even do a Pro Shop level of pistol like Smith&Wesson or Springfield does.
 
A true story

A close friend of mine owned a liquor store. He decided to have a "blind tasting" of premium vodkas. He invited a bunch of so-called vodka connisuiers and had them sample different vodkas - Grey Goose, Ketel One, Titos, Absolut, etc.

The tasters overwhelmingly preferred Smirnoff.

"Top Shelf" is simply marketing targeted toward people who consider themselves to have better judgement and taste than others.
 
I would agree with most of your placements, but would move Kimber to 2nd shelf, based solely on my excellent experiences with my Ultra Carry II ...

however, as always, your threads are top-shelf ....
 
Reading this thread makes me sad :( I haven't had much experience with pistols. I sau that because it would not take long to name all the manufacturers I have experience with: Jennings, Pietta, DWM, Springfield Armory, Kimber, Freedom Arms (their version of the NAA mini), CZ, Stoeger, Hi- point, RIA, Uberti, and Cobra Arms. Aside from a lack of understanding of how firearms work, and having to depend on myself to learn about guns; I can't say any of these guns acted badly... Except for the Jennings, but I am buying another one just to make sure it wasn't me. I didn't know I was suppose to clean and oil it! The guy who sold it to me said, "Just run a brush down the barrel, and clean off the extractor. You don't need to take it apart!" The guy who sold me the DWM did the same thing. A great part as to why I still have them is due to them having no resale value. Did I say this thread is depressing?
 
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perhaps you should shop at another store from a competent gun enthusiast... Why on earth would you make the same mistake twice and purchase another Jennings???
 
Meh, it's just been one of those things that has bugged me for some time. I didn't know how to work on anything, and it will give me something to play around with. Besides, I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.
I guess this puts me on the bottom two rungs for my shooting history. Oh well, I guess those pistols had to be built for someone.
 
PP...

APPARENTLY, you have never handled or shot a Dan Wesson "Monson made" revolver? you list their 1911 as "top shelf"... but no mention of the revolvers? maybe these need to be hung from a golden thread ABOVE that top shelf...

AND... S&W makes an entire line of handguns that are NOT
Performance Center" or "revolvers" or "polymer guns"... where dom you rank the 39, 59, 5903, 5904, 5906, 4003, 4004, 4006, 4013, 4504, 4506, 1006, and other fine steel and alloy semi-auto handguns made by S&W? (this is by far not a comprehensive list, just a few I own and enjoy...) where do you rank the STEEL semi-autos by Smith?
 
I'm curious as to where you would all place Wilson Combat 1911's on your shelves. From everything I hear about them they should be a top shelf contender yet I see no mention of them here.


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Remember, these are just my own personal views. I know everyone does not have the spare time I have, nor are they as OCD, so I do not expect as lengthy lists from anyone else but I would love to hear how you would rate your own favorite and non-favorite manufacturers...or just which ones I listed with which you agree or disagree.
for starters I contend my CDO is so bad I alphabatized it.
IF you just say old Colts ie. Pythons and Goldcups OK otherwise Colts 2nd
STI top shelf
Dan wesson 2nd
and BTW Uberti makes Beretta SAA clones
 
Hemicuda,

No offense, but I would rank the steel S&W semi-autos 3rd shelf. They are fine for everyday use, but by no means special. I feel that Sig and H&K's build quality is superior. I based that on fit and finish, trigger pull smoothness, and out of the box accuracy. Frankly, I would probably take a Glock over the steel S&W pistol... Then again, I like Glocks. ;):D
 
Stephen426... no offense taken... and don't be offended when I say that Sig and HK are WAY overpriced for what you get, Smith steel semi-auto triggers are VERY simple to fix, no stoning, smithing, or anything needed, if you know the trick, and I would carry a Jennings/Bryco or a Hi-Point before I carried or owned "combat tupperware"... Glunks do not fit my hand, and I could not bring myself to own something so ugly... Hi-Points are better looking...
 
HAHAHAHAHAAA
Don't be depressed. Personally the Hi Point and Jennings pistols I don't care for but the others you mentioned are not bad. The best top shelf gun is the one that fits your hand and you can shoot a good group with it. :D
 
Magnum Research (autos): Macho boutique guns. Completely impractical and hard to handle. LOL

Are you not a Macho Man PBP? Have girly hands?
 
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Your opinion of Taurus & Kel-Tec makes me wonder when was the last time you fired either brand :p
One could easily get the opinion that you are one of those,
"It has to be S&W or it has to be a 1911" types.
The Sigma series should be in the Recycling Bin and not even on a shelf :barf:
 
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