This is about what I would expect. 45 has trouble with barriers because it is a larger caliber. If power levels are roughly equal, smaller cals will alway have an advantage penitrating hard barriers. If you were trying to poke a hole in something, you would pick an icepick over a srewdriver.
Put the beast to bed (.45 vs .357 .... bonus .45 vs .40)
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Agreed but now we open up the argument of bird-shot vs. buck vs. slug ...etc...Sometimes we all sound like ladies gossiping in a coffee shop (I'm as guity a anyone else)--Maybe we should propose a new show to the networks called "The Continuing Saga of the World of Ballistics" or the like.
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"Agreed but now we open up the argument of bird-shot vs. buck vs. slug ...etc...Sometimes we all sound like ladies gossiping in a coffee shop (I'm as guity a anyone else)--Maybe we should propose a new show to the networks called "The Continuing Saga of the World of Ballistics" or the like".
That made me chuckle. The fact is, talking about and testing ballistics is FUN !
That made me chuckle. The fact is, talking about and testing ballistics is FUN !No question about it! I can hardly think of a more interesting topic for discussion (maybe Coke vs. Pepsi...). The problem is that people become almost religious in the quest for their 'proclamation of caliber supremacy' whereby opposition to said opinion is practically 'offensive.' I say I believe in what I believe and think you should as well, but if you don't so be it as the sun still rises tomorrow...
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Well, I followed OP's advice and got a .40 S&W, but to no avail.
I was attacked by an axe welding maniac. I fired right for his heart, all three shots hit dead on. However, he was unfazed and I was forced to run for my life. I barely got away.
Below is a pic of my assailant, if you see this psycho beware!
I was attacked by an axe welding maniac. I fired right for his heart, all three shots hit dead on. However, he was unfazed and I was forced to run for my life. I barely got away.
Below is a pic of my assailant, if you see this psycho beware!
billinca posted a pretty good analysis. You obviously are an old timer, like me, when you referred to duxseal. (what the heck is that, anyway????)
One I guess you missed was shooting at bars of soap. a 5 ounce bar of soap was being used to determine how a bullet would interact with a 250 pound chunk of meat.
My position on this whole issue can almost be summed up on only a few independent clauses.
One I guess you missed was shooting at bars of soap. a 5 ounce bar of soap was being used to determine how a bullet would interact with a 250 pound chunk of meat.
My position on this whole issue can almost be summed up on only a few independent clauses.
seeker_two
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Ned Kelly, perhaps?.....
PT-92 said:
There's no serious argument here. If your house is broken into by Sesame Street's Big Bird, use birdshot.
To paraphrase the credit card commercial, Birdshot is for birdies. For everything else, there's buckshot.
"Old timer" ... is that a polite way of saying old phart?Briandg said:
Duxseal is a sealing & caulking compound originally made for power and telephone utilities. Putty like consistency for sealing against air, water, dirt, dust, etc. Doesn't dry out.
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Good replies!
Although I will say I expected nothing less from the .45 fanatics.
The only thing that comes close to a good [edit: counter]argument (from this thread, that is) is the 'energy transfer' argument. Which is all well and good... until you have to use your compact .45 to shoot at some body standing behind, um, anything. Car door? Sorry. Thick door? Sorry. Small tree? Mmmaybe.
I will take this opportunity to remind all of the posters that the point was to demonstrate that smaller, more concealable .45's are crap. I am sure a 1911 will punch holes through all kinds of stuff, but not everyone lives in climates wear you can realistically hide a 1911 all yer long
Lastly, what kind of an idiot would stand in front of steel plate and shoot it without some kind of cover? There are many, many steps that can be taken to mitigate ricochets people. Duh.
Although I will say I expected nothing less from the .45 fanatics.
The only thing that comes close to a good [edit: counter]argument (from this thread, that is) is the 'energy transfer' argument. Which is all well and good... until you have to use your compact .45 to shoot at some body standing behind, um, anything. Car door? Sorry. Thick door? Sorry. Small tree? Mmmaybe.
I will take this opportunity to remind all of the posters that the point was to demonstrate that smaller, more concealable .45's are crap. I am sure a 1911 will punch holes through all kinds of stuff, but not everyone lives in climates wear you can realistically hide a 1911 all yer long
Lastly, what kind of an idiot would stand in front of steel plate and shoot it without some kind of cover? There are many, many steps that can be taken to mitigate ricochets people. Duh.
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Coke.
Both those statements are quite ridiculous. I carry a 3" 1911 all year long through nasty winters and muggy Detroit summers, very comfortably.
saltydog452
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Just to be contrary, I have a .250"X6" diameter steel plate that was hung so that it'd swing when hit.
Hits from .357s left lead smears on the plate. Hits from .45 Ball left fairly deep impressions and considerable swing movement.
A hit from a .264 Winchester produced a slight 'ping', slight movement, and a hole where the surface resembled a photo of a moon crater.
That is ample evidence that the .264 over penetrates, the .357 underpenetrates and .45 Ball is 'just right'.
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Hits from .357s left lead smears on the plate. Hits from .45 Ball left fairly deep impressions and considerable swing movement.
A hit from a .264 Winchester produced a slight 'ping', slight movement, and a hole where the surface resembled a photo of a moon crater.
That is ample evidence that the .264 over penetrates, the .357 underpenetrates and .45 Ball is 'just right'.
salty
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saltydog452: What loads were you using in the .357? Most of the 158gr. loads I've used before don't have any problem denting steel....