thatguyjosh
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Maybe where you live no one believes in the rights given to you by the Constitution and state law.
Protecting your property in TX
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Maybe where you live no one believes in the rights given to you by the Constitution and state law.
459.Back from the basement? How did the knitting turn out?
Although your last post is confusing, I will still try and give an answer.
QUOTE: why is it that if I say that it might not be a good idea to waste some scumbag stealing your property... does this make me some sort of hippie commie who would roll over if mugged by a guy in a wheelchair END QUOTE.
Well because if you resist the mugger, you might get a screw driver in your eye socket.
With the way you and Trip believe 459, it is best you just let the mugger have "WHATEVER" he wants and let the people with "TACTICAL" training catch him later.
Where is Trip anyway, I think I have submitted some very "GOOD POINTS" he said my arguements were lacking.
Hello. Trip. You here?
Although your last post is confusing, I will still try and give an answer.
QUOTE: why is it that if I say that it might not be a good idea to waste some scumbag stealing your property... does this make me some sort of hippie commie who would roll over if mugged by a guy in a wheelchair END QUOTE.
Well because if you resist the mugger, you might get a screw driver in your eye socket.
With the way you and Trip believe 459, it is best you just let the mugger have "WHATEVER" he wants and let the people with "TACTICAL" training catch him later.
Where is Trip anyway, I think I have submitted some very "GOOD POINTS" he said my arguements were lacking.
Hello. Trip. You here?
lol good thanks..
See its not all black and white. Where I say that perhaps for several reasons it might not be safe, wise or prudent to confront theives outside your dwelling, no where do I add that I wouldnt confront them with a very high level of force inside my dwelling or if friends, loved ones were at risk.
Perhaps the only way I can assure you of my friendly happy tendencies would be for you to attempt to assault me, a friend and or break into my dwelling. Otherwise if your out on the lawn at 4am jimmying my car...i might jsut let you have it...
To me its all relative. And for me, the car isnt worth it. Other things are. Thats my main point.
now back to the knitting.
See its not all black and white. Where I say that perhaps for several reasons it might not be safe, wise or prudent to confront theives outside your dwelling, no where do I add that I wouldnt confront them with a very high level of force inside my dwelling or if friends, loved ones were at risk.
Perhaps the only way I can assure you of my friendly happy tendencies would be for you to attempt to assault me, a friend and or break into my dwelling. Otherwise if your out on the lawn at 4am jimmying my car...i might jsut let you have it...
To me its all relative. And for me, the car isnt worth it. Other things are. Thats my main point.
now back to the knitting.
It is all well and good 459 if you draw the line at your front door. But never expect everyone to want to, or even legally have to follow suit.
My front door extends for 50 acres, even the farthest corner of which I will defend zealously if need be.
And I might add I would gladly defend you and yours if occasion rose that I witnessed a wrong to same.
Why? Because it is what is right.
My front door extends for 50 acres, even the farthest corner of which I will defend zealously if need be.
And I might add I would gladly defend you and yours if occasion rose that I witnessed a wrong to same.
Why? Because it is what is right.
Sorry, I decided to end my participation in the discussion when I realized this is becoming more of a comedy routine and pissing contest, than a mature discussion between adults. I've said my piece, and neither of us are going to change the other's mind. I don't need your approval, and you certainly don't need mine.2rugers said:
Agree to disagree.
Take care.
Trip20. A "pissing contest" and "comedy routine" you began I might add, and just did..........POST # 30 = sarcasm and condescension.
Also, never will I agree to disagree about anything I feel strongly about. You may eventually come around and discern my arguement for what it is.
The best way to handle "HIS" situation.
Also, never will I agree to disagree about anything I feel strongly about. You may eventually come around and discern my arguement for what it is.
The best way to handle "HIS" situation.
You do realize, that agreeing to disagree, does not mean you compromise your beliefs... don't you?2rugers said:
Doubt it, Hitler! Enjoy the ignore list.2rugers said:
Trip20. Compromise? My comment that I would never agree to disagree meant that you would either see things my way, or stop posting your emotional illogic on this topic.
People who place others on their ignore list only concede that their arguements may have been wrong.
459. And just when I thought you had come around. Anymore on this topic? I am more than happy to continue this discussion without any name calling or rudeness.
Respectfully, Brian.
P.S. Trip20, before I forget, I also stand behind my comments on the link you posted. Although you seem more the type to denigrate those differences or dwell on the perceived shortcomings, which would be the definition of prejudice rather than racist.
People who place others on their ignore list only concede that their arguements may have been wrong.
459. And just when I thought you had come around. Anymore on this topic? I am more than happy to continue this discussion without any name calling or rudeness.
Respectfully, Brian.
P.S. Trip20, before I forget, I also stand behind my comments on the link you posted. Although you seem more the type to denigrate those differences or dwell on the perceived shortcomings, which would be the definition of prejudice rather than racist.
2 rugers you are right, you are entitled to civility.
However if you would take the time to reread what you post, you do come across as an apologist for the white supremacy movement. If you disagree, read their pr releases etc, where they literally try to whitewash and slightly obscure thier real message..through use of semantics..
However if you would take the time to reread what you post, you do come across as an apologist for the white supremacy movement. If you disagree, read their pr releases etc, where they literally try to whitewash and slightly obscure thier real message..through use of semantics..
459. What did I write that labeled me as a white supemacist?
And please reread........I AM HISPANIC.
But, might I also add, that your continued referral to "WHITE SUPREMACIST ARTICLES" leaves you very suspect. Such as your last post in the topic "militarization of police". Why do you know all this stuff? I AM HISPANIC. And one last time.........I AM HISPANIC.
And please reread........I AM HISPANIC.But, might I also add, that your continued referral to "WHITE SUPREMACIST ARTICLES" leaves you very suspect. Such as your last post in the topic "militarization of police". Why do you know all this stuff? I AM HISPANIC. And one last time.........I AM HISPANIC.
459. Another interesting thing occured to me while mulling our discussion. You concluded, mistakenly so, that I was white. Could it be that you just gave us the perfect example of my point on the other thread. You assumed I was white by what I wrote. How? Do only white people in your view, have a definition for "seperatist", "supremacist", and "racist".
Can you point out which one your "assumption" makes you? I can.
Allow me to sit back, partake of another corona, and ponder this Grande' discussion. I am enjoying this very much. P.S. I AM HISPANIC.
Can you point out which one your "assumption" makes you? I can.
Allow me to sit back, partake of another corona, and ponder this Grande' discussion. I am enjoying this very much. P.S. I AM HISPANIC.
2rugers: You make a very good point, it is a logically incorrect assumption that you are white - it is also a logically incorrect assumption to make that you are male, which is an assumption that is as unnecessary as the white assumption is. The white/male assumptions probably flow from the comments themselves, they are not comments typically heard from any other race or gender, therefore the assumptions were most likely based on the readers' past experiences. Statistically speaking those assumptions would prove correct more often than incorrect.
It is interesting too that it is politically incorrect for a white to make statements about the differences in races, yet it is not politically incorrect for other races to make such comments. You, as an Hispanic, may make racial comments without near the backlash that a white would create.
Ponder on this, your being Hispanic has no bearing on the discussion at all, changes nothing about your statements themselves; yet it apparently became important for you to separate yourself from being considered of another race, as you made it quite clear in several ways that you are Hispanic....yet being Hispanic does not provide credulity to your statements.
We live in a double standard society, with the backlash against the whites since the early 60's when it comes to discussion of this topic. Note for instance that a White coach had to publicly apologize for saying "It was very obvious to me the other day that the other team had a lot more African-American players than we did and they ran a lot faster than we did," In and of itself the statement could be considered a compliment to the black race, or it could be considered a neutral statement of what he considers to be fact (a commonly held point of view by many in private at least), in any case it was his opinion which is protected under the constitution. In fact being a very experienced and successful coach he might be considered an expert on that subject: Yet he may have effectively ended his career with that one sentence uttered in public.
I think time (decades), will sort this all out. But for now the social wounds are still too fresh and the anger is still too high.
It is interesting too that it is politically incorrect for a white to make statements about the differences in races, yet it is not politically incorrect for other races to make such comments. You, as an Hispanic, may make racial comments without near the backlash that a white would create.
Ponder on this, your being Hispanic has no bearing on the discussion at all, changes nothing about your statements themselves; yet it apparently became important for you to separate yourself from being considered of another race, as you made it quite clear in several ways that you are Hispanic....yet being Hispanic does not provide credulity to your statements.
We live in a double standard society, with the backlash against the whites since the early 60's when it comes to discussion of this topic. Note for instance that a White coach had to publicly apologize for saying "It was very obvious to me the other day that the other team had a lot more African-American players than we did and they ran a lot faster than we did," In and of itself the statement could be considered a compliment to the black race, or it could be considered a neutral statement of what he considers to be fact (a commonly held point of view by many in private at least), in any case it was his opinion which is protected under the constitution. In fact being a very experienced and successful coach he might be considered an expert on that subject: Yet he may have effectively ended his career with that one sentence uttered in public.
I think time (decades), will sort this all out. But for now the social wounds are still too fresh and the anger is still too high.
Strap on your flame throwers because here goes, and that is what many here do best.....Case in Point
There is no call for these types of comments wether you agree or not.
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That thread could not be debated on the facts alone. People here choose to take it down that path, and start throwing around the whole white supremacy thing. I initiated a response that required no follow up. Sendec choose to drag into the mud. I wasn't going to be led down that path by providing the descriptions. 2Rugers did, and I worried about the backlash he would suffer from it. However I would have given the same answers, had I choosen to respond. This does not by definition make me, or him a racist.
As a matter of fact if you knew me, and I am sure 2Rugers off from the board we would be 2 of the most unracist people you could meet. FWIW I am white, and I hate the whole Arian Nation thing as much as anyone else.
Now back to the subject of the topic. The criminals run rampant because we have been "boon-swaggled", and brain washed into the whole notion of doing nothing, even if it is wrong to do nothing. I can't believe that in a state where cattle rustlers were shot, and horse theives were hung, that the whole question of protecting property, and livlihood, has generated so many responses of "Do nothing that requires a risk, or for good men to stand up for what is right".
Remember this. The only required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
2Rugers you hold onto what you believe is right, and don't compramise your integrity to fear of what might happen in the aftermath. No I am not saying go running out the door guns blazing, but don't ever be afraid to do the right thing!
There is no call for these types of comments wether you agree or not.
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This is exactly the type of thing the BG's like about this country.
That thread could not be debated on the facts alone. People here choose to take it down that path, and start throwing around the whole white supremacy thing. I initiated a response that required no follow up. Sendec choose to drag into the mud. I wasn't going to be led down that path by providing the descriptions. 2Rugers did, and I worried about the backlash he would suffer from it. However I would have given the same answers, had I choosen to respond. This does not by definition make me, or him a racist.
As a matter of fact if you knew me, and I am sure 2Rugers off from the board we would be 2 of the most unracist people you could meet. FWIW I am white, and I hate the whole Arian Nation thing as much as anyone else.
Now back to the subject of the topic. The criminals run rampant because we have been "boon-swaggled", and brain washed into the whole notion of doing nothing, even if it is wrong to do nothing. I can't believe that in a state where cattle rustlers were shot, and horse theives were hung, that the whole question of protecting property, and livlihood, has generated so many responses of "Do nothing that requires a risk, or for good men to stand up for what is right".
Remember this. The only required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
2Rugers you hold onto what you believe is right, and don't compramise your integrity to fear of what might happen in the aftermath. No I am not saying go running out the door guns blazing, but don't ever be afraid to do the right thing!
I think that you might be oversimplifying the posts by people, including myself, who said that it is smart to weigh the risks. I have a family, if I die then they lose a source of income among other things. Is running into an unknown situation over a $200 stereo worth the potential loss to them? Do I know that there aren't other people in the bushes with guns waiting to put lead in my ass? No! It is not to say that I might not go out there, but I would analyze the risk first. Each situation is different. I can easily buy another stereo.
This is vastly different than if there was an actual risk of damage to something important to me. Amazingly enough having an intellect is what separates us from animals. A Lion might charge 10 people with machine guns, a person with a brain will not.
Everyone should try to do the right thing. But then again I am not going to take on a gang of thugs because one dropped a cigarette on the ground and broke a littering ordinance.
