Protecting your property in TX

2rugers said:
Trip20. There is also no need for you to insinuate that I am a homicidal psychopath out for blood. (post # 30).
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Check your sig, 2rugers - "natural born killer" is displayed. I insinuate nothing - no Freudian interpretation needed.

2rugers said:
I will defend everything I own with my life if necessary. Why would any man allow someone to simply walk up and take what he has worked hard for and what the "THIEF" knows is not his?
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This all sounds great, and I do agree with it wholeheartedly - it's a nice principle - but maybe not so practical. The problem is I'm not tactically trained to deal with situations like this. Maybe you are - great - but I doubt it considering your cavalier POA.

I don't know how many people are actually outside, there may be lookouts, there may be others in back of my home trying to get in...etc - way too many variables to consider from peaking through my blinds. Each situation may be different, but I doubt I'll be able to attain all information necessary to feel comfortable leaving my family alone in my home, locking myself out so no one can get in behind me, and then having virtually zero cover when confronting potentially armed persons.

I refuse to purposely put myself in a situation where I'll need to be in fear of my life, unless I'm helping save another's life.

My own personal belief is that I don't feel deadly force is necessary over my car. Basically, if I go out to confront anyone with a drawn weapon, there will be no dialogue, and no effort to detain. My gun out and pointed at someone, in most cases means the trigger is being pulled because I'm in fear for my life - not because I'm in fear for my car.

2rugers said:
Now ask yourself the same question about your modus operandi and see how they compare. My method deters crime and criminals, yours encourages them.
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My method - if you go back and read my posts - shows I'm not going to sit back with a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show. I'm going to do what I can from a safe distance, with safe cover - while not leaving my home and family to fend for themselves. I hardly think I'm "encouraging" crime, as you put it.
 
My boss belives that nothing that can be bought is worth killing over. However I make $10 an hour and at the end of the day smell like Jet A. Between my new Colorado and rent and food and guns and ammo and the girlfriend; if anyone were to try and steal form me, they need killing. I have had just as few chances in life to succeed as they have, but they resort to being social parasites. Parasites need to die before they endanger the host organism. Now if they want to rob my boss who is from Peoples Republic of Cali and born with a silver, no platinum spoon in his mouth, go for it. He never had to bust his ass a day in his life. He can afford to replace it. I on the other hand had to fight for everything I ever got and I will fight to keep it.
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Thats what I am talking about. I am in the same situation, and the replacement value of my FEW posessions represents a major portion of my life. You say that insurance will pay for it, but that 500 dollar deductible represents TWO WEEKS of pay for me. I have very little spending money left each month after all my bills, and it would take me months to be able to afford even the deductible. I have spent weeks biking 20 miles round trip to work before because I could not afford gas. I have no sympathy for anyone who "needs" to steal.
 
459. Are you sure you are not Trip20 in disguise? Your rationale, or lack thereof certainly coincide. Thieves and thugs in yours and Trip20's neighborhoods certainly have less experience in violence and altercation than I do because you are not willing to stand up to them.
I think the original poster said he saw the people around his car, so night vision is no concern, and, whether they are armed or not, I certainly will be.
I see them, do they see me? Advantage you ask?
Is it worth a gun battle over a car? LEO'S who would hopefully respond to my call on time certainly would think so if they were threatened with deadly force by the "MEANIES".
My signature was a gentlemanly jab at fellow members on another post, but I like it, don't you?:) Where in any of my previous posts did I say anything about rushing in? I also never said anything about "CAPPING" anyone, although I would not be afraid of a possible civil suit or any other, if I found it necessary to do so.
Continuing in tearing down your illogic, who says every "MEANIE" in your yard is after your car? Do they have "lo-krak's" or "phony engine defillibizers party poker systems" for horses?How about for my kids?:DThey sound very technical, Are they very expensive?
How did we get from crooks in my yard to a screwdriver in my eye? I would much rather confront these unknowns with surprise, cover, and 00 buckshot on my side!
The only "IDIOCY" with accompanying lack of "CAJONES" I find are your statements.
In closing, yes, I may get shot or knifed, but that is a chance I am willing to take to defend what is mine. The police do it every day for next to no pay, for property that is not even their own. Crazy? No. Just men and women who are willing to stand up for what they no is right.
Stay in bed 459, I hear there will be loose livestock endangering motorists on the highway tomorrow.:D
 
In closing, yes, I may get shot or knifed, but that is a chance I am willing to take to defend what is mine. The police do it every day for next to no pay, for property that is not even their own. Crazy? No. Just men and women who are willing to stand up for what they no is right.
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Very well said.
 
Thats what I am talking about. I am in the same situation, and the replacement value of my FEW posessions represents a major portion of my life. You say that insurance will pay for it, but that 500 dollar deductible represents TWO WEEKS of pay for me. I have very little spending money left each month after all my bills, and it would take me months to be able to afford even the deductible. I have spent weeks biking 20 miles round trip to work before because I could not afford gas. I have no sympathy for anyone who "needs" to steal.
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I agree, I don't live paycheck to paycheck.. but a $500 deductible is not something I could just go into my pocket and pay off. Why should I have to pay a $500 deductible because these low lifes don't want to go out and find a real job like everyone else? GOD I LOVE TEXAS LAW :)
 
Should one use lethal force to protect his property?

There is no single right answer for all individuals.

In general, I am willing to use lethal force to protect my property, for the simple reason that it is mine and I have the right to protect what is mine. If the criminal(s) who attempt to steal my property are willing to take their chances with my willingness to use lethal force, then that is their choice.

As a bonus, protecting what is mine not only protects me, it protects my neighborhood.
 
lol Darwinism at work...


but then again if you watch enough TV I suppose anything seems realistic huh. You obvioulsy have had no dealings with lawyers or the law to realize the potential civil destruction and or criminal problems you may or may not be faced with. Perhaps if you had to sell your house...to pay for you legal problems you might consider it money not well spent?

Lol honestly I hope somebody steals your car. And you confront them with intent to use deadly force. And then you use it. Pricinples wont mean much after everything else is gone. You can say that you stood up for whats right etc.. but whats right about throwing it all away? Lol life contrary to what some believe isnt all black and white. And contrary to what you believe, you wont have the advantage when you confront them...if you walk out of your house..

However you seem to feel that to sit by and do nothing makes me a gutless nothing huh? Interesting...:D
 
+1 Perception.Trip20. You assume my signature applies to the topic at hand. Don't. Tactical training? Define that please.
Have you instructed your wife and eligible children in the use of firearms, I have.
Now get out there and find out why these people have chosen you as an easy mark and show them they have made a dire mistake.
Otherwise, you open the door for more transgressions in the future.
Furthermore, I have read your posts diligently and while you may "HARDLY THINK" your methods do not encourage crime, I know for a "FACT" that mine "DISCOURAGE" it.
 
You obvioulsy have had no dealings with lawyers or the law to realize the potential civil destruction and or criminal problems you may or may not be faced with.
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Do you have any factual information on how may lawful shootings have been followed by civil suits? I have been looking for that info for a long time and can't find it.

It seems that nearly everyone on this forum is whistling past the graveyard on that one.....
 
lol butch50, I was waiting for that question. I almost PM'd you to point it out, but I was laughing too hard. :D
 
ok

Im not talking about legitimate SD shootings.

Consider the following:

You could be arrested
YOu might have to post a substantial bail and or guarantee
YOu will have to pay a lawyer alot of money to get it sorted out
If it does go to criminal trial...because lets face it..plenty of innocent people get charged all the time..are you aware of how fast legal expenses can mount up? If you consider $500 bucks to be alot of money your going be in for a serious rude awakening...or are you gonna trust it all to whats right and wrong..and take your chances with a public defender?

You could have your firearms seized..

You could loose your employement due to being jailed..if even temporarily.

No say...its all good..and theres no criminal charges..you could still potentially face a civil case..where the onus and burden of proof is alot lower than in a criminal case..

Er and this was all worth what exactly?

Let me here somebody who is a LEO or a Lawyer pipe up and say its worht the hassle...

Cause im willing to bet that anybody who is living paycheck to paycheck isnt aware what the burden of surving an indifferent legal system can really cost you...

so you be the big man and go ahead and start blasting..but maybe in the back of your mind you should resconsider if its worth it..
 
Thank you TGJosh. Butch, it seems we are on the same side in this one.:D Again 459, where did I say I was going to shoot someone over my car, or any other property for that matter? Are you speed reading my posts, please take your time.
I am going to confront people or persons on my property at any time I find them. If after dark, I will be armed. If I ascertain their intentions are contrary to my well being in any way, they will be stopped.
If that fits your definition of "DARWINISM" 459, count me in. I believe your attitude towards aggression will leave you on the losing end when it comes to survival of the fittest.
If you choose to "SIT BY AND DO NOTHING" (your words, not mine), you are nothing and will have nothing, because it will always be taken from you.
Yep, "DARWINISM" at work.
 
Do you have any factual information on how may lawful shootings have been followed by civil suits? I have been looking for that info for a long time and can't find it.
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Haha I think this is the second time you've brought this up, and still no one who has been throwing that statement out there has backed it up with cases.
 
Lol honestly I hope somebody steals your car. And you confront them with intent to use deadly force. And then you use it. Pricinples wont mean much after everything else is gone. You can say that you stood up for whats right etc.. but whats right about throwing it all away? Lol life contrary to what some believe isnt all black and white. And contrary to what you believe, you wont have the advantage when you confront them...if you walk out of your house..
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Yeah, let's just throw all of our civil liberties out the window.. and let all of the thieves and scumbags run wild on the streets. :rolleyes:

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin
 
Quote from 459: Consider the following:
You could be arrested
YOu might have to post a substantial bail and or guarantee
YOu will have to pay a lawyer alot of money to get it sorted out
If it does go to criminal trial...because lets face it..plenty of innocent people get charged all the time..are you aware of how fast legal expenses can mount up? If you consider $500 bucks to be alot of money your going be in for a serious rude awakening...or are you gonna trust it all to whats right and wrong..and take your chances with a public defender?
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Yes, but: Do you have any factual information on how may lawful shootings have been followed by civil suits?
 
lol... :)

Ill let you armchair commandos get back to it..I gotta go hide in the basement and keep up with my knitting.
 
Why is it some people feel threatened by people who refuse to be victims?:confused:
Are they car thieves?:) Or, is it true as I have read somewhere that the vast majority of people are sheep who only want the sheepdog around when they need him? He is scary like the wolf and reminds them that maybe things that go bump in the night really are coming to eat them.
Give rise to your anger my fine fellows, as all is not yet lost, chase evil away wherever you may find it and alas he will find he has no home.

Wow! I need some sleep.:o
 
lol you got me..none of what I said can be consider good safe practical advice..lol

as to total amount percentage wise of shootings vs civil cases. No I dont have that info. If I did I would post it. Lol not that it would make much difference.

Some people are strange..why is it that If I say that it might not be a good idea to waste some scumbag stealing your property...does this make me some sort of hippie commie who would roll over if mugged by a guy in a wheel chair.--- you get the analogy

Maybe where you live im figuring nobody has any car insurance?
 
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