Proposed VA Legislation

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Our immediate options are continue to send a message by showing up in large numbers at the county board of supervisors upcoming meetings (we have been doing great with this!), contact your state level senator and delegate (many have never heard from their constituents), attend as many rallies as possible, and be prepared to join the challenge to any unconstitutional law or regulation that is brought up and in the courts for any that gets passed.
 
broadening the base is a long term strategy. As i'm sure you know, none of us have all the answers but its really imperative for the future of second amendment rights that we start working on that asap. i personally think that for starters pro second amendment organizations should concentrate on gun rights to the greatest extent possible, and avoid becoming embroiled and identified with social, cultural, and economic issues. There is no reason to broaden the base of our opponents.

Take myself for instance.....I live in New York, I am not a far right conservative, yet i own many guns, have no problem with others owning what they want, support right to carry, etc, yet i am not a conservative on social or cultural issues, How does it help the cause to call me a communist, or socialist, just because i do not agree with conservatives on every issue? Alienating potential allies because they dont share your whole world view is very counterproductive.
 
It's amazing how many gun owners I've seen online who claim "nobody is coming for your guns" even as they pass laws banning your guns. And not just the "fudds" either, people who own ARs and such who have been gaslighted into submission.
 
heyjoe said:
Alienating potential allies because they dont share your whole world view is very counterproductive.
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Calling someone who is sympathetic to gun rights but consistently votes for anti-2A candidates a “potential ally” is like calling me a “potential billionaire.” The potential is there; but it is unrealized and unlikely to be realized.
 
heyjoe said:
broadening the base is a long term strategy. As i'm sure you know, none of us have all the answers but its really imperative for the future of second amendment rights that we start working on that asap. i personally think that for starters pro second amendment organizations should concentrate on gun rights to the greatest extent possible, and avoid becoming embroiled and identified with social, cultural, and economic issues. There is no reason to broaden the base of our opponents.

Take myself for instance.....I live in New York, I am not a far right conservative, yet i own many guns, have no problem with others owning what they want, support right to carry, etc, yet i am not a conservative on social or cultural issues, How does it help the cause to call me a communist, or socialist, just because i do not agree with conservatives on every issue? Alienating potential allies because they dont share your whole world view is very counterproductive.
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Well said again..as I've mentioned, there is a LARGE, middle of the road, un-affiliated group of voters 'out there'..mixing in other than 2A stuff does nothing but alienate/reduce that number. There are a lot of socially liberal, fiscally conservative, pro gun rights, 'independent'(in terms of not GOP or DEM) voters who 'might' vote one way if not called a 'libertard' or 'demoncrat'..
 
heyjoe said:
broadening the base is a long term strategy. As i'm sure you know, none of us have all the answers but its really imperative for the future of second amendment rights that we start working on that asap. i personally think that for starters pro second amendment organizations should concentrate on gun rights to the greatest extent possible, and avoid becoming embroiled and identified with social, cultural, and economic issues. There is no reason to broaden the base of our opponents.

Take myself for instance.....I live in New York, I am not a far right conservative, yet i own many guns, have no problem with others owning what they want, support right to carry, etc, yet i am not a conservative on social or cultural issues, How does it help the cause to call me a communist, or socialist, just because i do not agree with conservatives on every issue? Alienating potential allies because they dont share your whole world view is very counterproductive.
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So how does someone like you vote? Do you vote for a Pro 2A candidate based on your pro 2a stance or do you vote for someone who demonizes the 2A and represents all leftists beliefs? Which is more important to you when it comes to voting? I have family in upstate NY that have guns but ironically think other people should not own guns. When I asked my aunt why she should be allowed to own guns and other people not... she replies, "I am not going to go out there and kill anyone". It gets worse, but I won't get into it. lol

And FYI, the 2A is a social and cultural issue. Over the years, it has become the SOLE cultural issue I care about.
 
i dont think you should need a permit to own or carry a gun. if there is a permit system it should be shall issue.

Voting here is tough for second amendment issues. Republicans arent much better with gun issues here. We had a republican governor in the late 90's, Giuliani, was a republican mayor, and one house of the legislature was republican. they did nothing for gun rights except to make gun laws MORE restrictive. Giuliani flagrantly violated the fourth amendment, with stop and frisk for guns. The Safe Act could have been killed by the republican senate...they did nothing. So its not easy to find pro 2 nd amendment candidates, i do my best. I'm not alone here though as USNRet 93 stated there are plenty of us, who are pro second amendment, who are not being tapped into.

It will be broaden the base of pro second amendment voters or continue suffering losses nationwide at an accelerating rate. demographic trends demand it.
 
heyjoe said:
i dont think you should need a permit to own or carry a gun. if there is a permit system it should be shall issue.

Voting here is tough for second amendment issues. Republicans arent much better with gun issues here. We had a republican governor in the late 90's, Giuliani, was a republican mayor, and one house of the legislature was republican. they did nothing for gun rights except to make gun laws MORE restrictive. Giuliani flagrantly violated the fourth amendment, with stop and frisk for guns. The Safe Act could have been killed by the republican senate...they did nothing. So its not easy to find pro 2 nd amendment candidates, i do my best. I'm not alone here though as USNRet 93 stated there are plenty of us, who are pro second amendment, who are not being tapped into.

It will be broaden the base of pro second amendment voters or continue suffering losses nationwide at an accelerating rate. demographic trends demand it.
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I get it... and I agree that some R politicians are not really conservative... especially in NY. I'm not sure why anyone would call you a communist or socialist with your stated views on CCW. If you had the opposite view and were calling for higher taxes and didin't have a job, then I could see someone saying that... but who cares what people say. lol Some people will just stereotype people no matter what though... no one is safe. lol

As far as Giuliani and his leadership, he was doing the best he could with a city that was in collapse... civilization was in collapse there. And anyone who hasn't lived in that environment or similar one, should hold off on some of their opinions such as, "I don't care what was going on, it is illegal to stop, question and frisk someone for no reason at all". If anything, that state of civilization should be a warning to other cities and states that haven't experienced such failures of leadership that led to those living conditions.

If anyone wants to look at some of the crime stats to get a statistical understanding, I'll provide a link. I feel like I am living on another planet, compared to how things were in the 70s and 80s and when Giuliani took charge things were getting even worse. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

The democrats in VA are more than willing to lead their state into a full fledged social/civil catastrophe with the same disastrous leadership... Dems almost everywhere seem to be hell bent on it. While the good guys in VA have some fire in them right now, I hope it is there come next elections.
 
Well our Floyd County supervisors here in VA just unanimously passed a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution! These Supervisor meetings normally draw just a handful of people. This one filled a 600 seat auditorium with many more standing! We are now up to 77 counties and municipalities in VA that have passed such a resolution. Hopefully the new democratic regime will take notice when they reconvene in January and begin negotiating the details of the proposed new regulations.

This is quite a movement and has been organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League.
 
Best of all, some of the blue counties that elected democrats have passed the 2A Sanctuary resolutions with hugh turnouts. I think it will make a few of the newly elected democrats see that if they vote for the proposed gun laws, they will never be re-elected. We only need a few to follow the constitution to defeat the laws.

Smyth County became a 2A Sanctuary county last night with well over 1,100 people showing up for the Board of Supervisor meeting that normally has attendance in single digits. The high school auditorium was overflowing with people standing around the wall or outside where there wasn't room. The vote was all yes.
 
Yesterday announced...due to pressure from gun owners and counties...though I don't believe anything they say.

https://www.virginiamercury.com/201...include-grandfather-clause-for-existing-guns/

“In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period,” Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in a statement Monday evening. “Additional details on this and all other bills will be announced prior to the start of the upcoming session.”

BUT...

The new Democratic majorities are expected to pass a variety of gun restrictions, including universal background checks, red flag laws that would allow authorities to take guns from people deemed dangerous and reinstatement of a one-handgun-a-month law.

We are going to keep up the pressure. This whole "registration" thing is absurd.
 
the pattern is always registration now, confiscation later...
Never publicly admitted to (note how fast the fellow who said "hell yes we're going to take your AR15s" in public disappeared from the nominees?)

not that it wasn't what they want, but because he was stupid enough to say it on the record.

When the proposals show up, attack them in detail. Until then, Happy Holidays!
 
The logic is simple. Ban guns, and people won't be hurt by guns anymore
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Tell that to the familes/friends of the three military personnel murdered in Pensacola. Guns were banned from there and they were killed anyway just like most cases where there are 'gun free zones."

Wonder if we will ever know where the shooter obtained that Glock? The news wont tell us, wanna bet?
 
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Well our Floyd County supervisors here in VA just unanimously passed a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution! These Supervisor meetings normally draw just a handful of people. This one filled a 600 seat auditorium with many more standing! We are now up to 77 counties and municipalities in VA that have passed such a resolution. Hopefully the new democratic regime will take notice when they reconvene in January and begin negotiating the details of the proposed new regulations.

This is quite a movement and has been organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League.

If all these folks had voted they wouldnt be attending meetings except many. many districts had NO pro 2A candidates and the (D)s won by default. YUK
 
langenc said:
The logic is simple. Ban guns, and people won't be hurt by guns anymore
copied from #7--44 AMP.

Tell that to the familes/friends of the three military personnel murdered in Pensacola. Guns were banned from there and they were killed anyway just like most cases where there are 'gun free zones."

Wonder if we will ever know where the shooter obtained that Glock? The news wont tell us, wanna bet?
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If he bought the glock legally, does it really matter where he bought it?
 
Doesn't matter where, a shooting in Fla is off topic for a thread about proposed VA legislation.

Focus, people, or we're done.
 
langenc said:
Wonder if we will ever know where the shooter obtained that Glock? The news wont tell us, wanna bet?
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From NBC-
The Saudi national who fatally shot three people at a Florida Navy base on Friday bought his gun legally even though people designated as "nonimmigrant aliens" are not typically allowed to do so, NBC News reported.
But the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says there are exceptions for those with a valid hunting license or permit, and those from "a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business."
NBC News cited sources that said the shooter had a license and bought his weapon from a dealer in Pensacola.
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As to Virginia...hopefully this response by citizens in these essentially blue districts will not be forgotten in 2 years when they have another state wide election...BUT pretty pessimistic, IMHO.
 
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