Proposed VA Legislation
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Just read this today:
https://www.virginiamercury.com/blo...-opinion-on-second-amendment-sanctuary-trend/
A Democratic state delegate has asked Attorney General Mark Herring (D) for a formal opinion on the Second Amendment sanctuary declarations being passed in a growing number of conservative counties across the state.
In a letter sent to the attorney general Monday, Del. Jay Jones, D-Norfolk, said a legal opinion could help clear up confusion on an issue that has “become a flashpoint across our state.” Clarification from the attorney general’s office said, Jones said, would benefit the local officials being “bombarded” with citizen requests to pass resolutions declaring their opposition to, and possible defiance of, new gun-control laws Democratic majorities are expected to pass early next year.
“The bills passed by the General Assembly and signed into law by the governor are binding for our entire Commonwealth and its citizens,” Jones wrote. “The legal precedent we would set by allowing communities to selectively ignore those laws at will is alarming and indicative of the same mindset that nearly one hundred and fifty years ago led this country to dissolve into a civil war.”
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https://www.virginiamercury.com/blo...-opinion-on-second-amendment-sanctuary-trend/
A Democratic state delegate has asked Attorney General Mark Herring (D) for a formal opinion on the Second Amendment sanctuary declarations being passed in a growing number of conservative counties across the state.
In a letter sent to the attorney general Monday, Del. Jay Jones, D-Norfolk, said a legal opinion could help clear up confusion on an issue that has “become a flashpoint across our state.” Clarification from the attorney general’s office said, Jones said, would benefit the local officials being “bombarded” with citizen requests to pass resolutions declaring their opposition to, and possible defiance of, new gun-control laws Democratic majorities are expected to pass early next year.
“The bills passed by the General Assembly and signed into law by the governor are binding for our entire Commonwealth and its citizens,” Jones wrote. “The legal precedent we would set by allowing communities to selectively ignore those laws at will is alarming and indicative of the same mindset that nearly one hundred and fifty years ago led this country to dissolve into a civil war.”
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Armed_Chicagoan
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I would guess none. The districts where the GOP didn't run a candidate are all in solid blue areas where they have no chance and it makes no sense to spend resources. Do you really think it makes sense to run a GOP candidate in a district that went 80% for Hillary? It's hard enough to defend GOP seats in purple districts where voters in the center are targeted by the Dems with millions of dollars in outside money because orange man bad. If you hate Trump more than you like your gun rights then vote Democrat and give up your guns when the inevitable ban is enacted.USNRet93 said:
Wasn't talking national but again, the fact that many STATE legislature seats went uncontested by the GOP...then all this about 'what do we do now?', Seems, once again, too little, too late.
Not wishing to start a political drift but trump isn't the friend of gun rights people. His rhetoric shows that depending on his audience and whether or not the TV cameras are on, he 'may' say anything, AND HAS...UBC, 21 year old age limit, RFL, but 2 things have come to pass..The bump stock ban and the new DOJ program targeting people(gun people) who have gone online about a rifle scope. AND DOJ asking for personal info about them. Not exactly 'gun friendly'..IMHO.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603565
With more guns than TVs in the US and nobody at the FED level knowing who has what..the US government has not the assets, the $, the time, the 'record 'plumbing' to 'take guns'..Even NZ, without a second amendment type thing, only saw a small percentage of AR types were 'turned in'..
Not wishing to start a political drift but trump isn't the friend of gun rights people. His rhetoric shows that depending on his audience and whether or not the TV cameras are on, he 'may' say anything, AND HAS...UBC, 21 year old age limit, RFL, but 2 things have come to pass..The bump stock ban and the new DOJ program targeting people(gun people) who have gone online about a rifle scope. AND DOJ asking for personal info about them. Not exactly 'gun friendly'..IMHO.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603565
With more guns than TVs in the US and nobody at the FED level knowing who has what..the US government has not the assets, the $, the time, the 'record 'plumbing' to 'take guns'..Even NZ, without a second amendment type thing, only saw a small percentage of AR types were 'turned in'..
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Aguila Blanca
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USNRet93 said:
- I thought red flag laws (RFLs) were a state problem, not a federal problem. Is Trump pushing for a national/federal red flag law?
- The DOJ inquiry into users of the scope app is not about gun control, it's basically a mix of national security and export of technology issue. Those scopes and that app are not supposed to be sold outside of the U.S., but apparently some have made it beyond our borders in violation of the laws. If you are a lawful owner of the scope and a person who has downloaded the app it's unfortunate that the feds may find out you have it, but I don't see this as a gun control ploy and I don't expect the feds to come after U.S. owners to confiscate their scopes.
Aguila Blanca
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It's a firearms accessory, so it stands to reason that the vast majority of buyers are gun owners.USNRet93 said:
What's your point? This is still not about gun control, it's about getting a handle on how many of these scopes have been illegally exported, and where they have gone.
jrinne0430
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Now at 43 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, towns, and cities. Need to keep up the pressure and contact your county supervisors. Also, contact your state delegate and senator and let them know that VA will not be controlled by out of touch trans plants and out of state money.
I wrote the following today to our five county supervisors here in Floyd. It appears Floyd will pass a resolution next Tuesday. They moved the meeting to the auditorium at the high school, apparently anticipating a much larger crowd than their normal meeting place. I'll be there.
Dear Floyd County Supervisors,
I am writing to express my support for a resolution declaring Floyd County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County.
The Second Amendment to our constitution and the United States Supreme Court ruling in DC vs Heller make very clear that the right to keep and bear arms for the protection of our homes and families is an inherent individual right. Unfortunately, the abhorrent actions of a small number of mentally ill people have created a cry for action against firearm ownership which has been taken up by the new Democratic administration in Richmond. In a knee-jerk reaction to the cry to “do something”, come January our state leaders will attempt to severely restrict the rights of our good law abiding citizens with new laws that will adversely affect our ability to protect ourselves.
We need to express our opposition to these new restrictions, even if only symbolically, by joining our neighboring counties here in rural Virginia in declaring Floyd County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County.
There is an old saying that if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. The same is true for many politicians. Since the only tool they have is to pass laws, every problem looks like it can be solved with a law. In reality, laws only affect law abiding citizens, and we are not the problem. The issue of gun violence is much more complex and will not be solved by adding new laws to the many thousands of gun restricting laws already on the books in our nation. Solutions for violence must be effective, not just feel good measures that miss the core of the problem.
I will not pretend to know the solution to crime and violence in our country, but I know that punishing 99.9999% of the population for the actions of 0.0001% is not the solution.
In representing the good people of Floyd you should place the interests, feelings, and culture of our citizens above your own personal views. Floyd is a conservative county, and like our surrounding neighbors strongly oppose new ineffective feel-good laws that restrict our inherent right to self-protection in an ever increasingly dangerous world. I therefore implore you to pass a Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution for Floyd County at your next board meeting to send a message to Richmond that we in the rural south deserve to be heard as loudly as those in the northern cities.
Dear Floyd County Supervisors,
I am writing to express my support for a resolution declaring Floyd County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County.
The Second Amendment to our constitution and the United States Supreme Court ruling in DC vs Heller make very clear that the right to keep and bear arms for the protection of our homes and families is an inherent individual right. Unfortunately, the abhorrent actions of a small number of mentally ill people have created a cry for action against firearm ownership which has been taken up by the new Democratic administration in Richmond. In a knee-jerk reaction to the cry to “do something”, come January our state leaders will attempt to severely restrict the rights of our good law abiding citizens with new laws that will adversely affect our ability to protect ourselves.
We need to express our opposition to these new restrictions, even if only symbolically, by joining our neighboring counties here in rural Virginia in declaring Floyd County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County.
There is an old saying that if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. The same is true for many politicians. Since the only tool they have is to pass laws, every problem looks like it can be solved with a law. In reality, laws only affect law abiding citizens, and we are not the problem. The issue of gun violence is much more complex and will not be solved by adding new laws to the many thousands of gun restricting laws already on the books in our nation. Solutions for violence must be effective, not just feel good measures that miss the core of the problem.
I will not pretend to know the solution to crime and violence in our country, but I know that punishing 99.9999% of the population for the actions of 0.0001% is not the solution.
In representing the good people of Floyd you should place the interests, feelings, and culture of our citizens above your own personal views. Floyd is a conservative county, and like our surrounding neighbors strongly oppose new ineffective feel-good laws that restrict our inherent right to self-protection in an ever increasingly dangerous world. I therefore implore you to pass a Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution for Floyd County at your next board meeting to send a message to Richmond that we in the rural south deserve to be heard as loudly as those in the northern cities.
the letter is well written and contains some good points and conveys your feeling well, I think.
HOWEVER,
I am of a divided mind on the entire idea of "Sanctuary" anything. On the one hand, I enjoy the irony of using the tactic for our cause as some use it for the illegal immigrant cause, but this is balanced with my feeling that they shouldn't be doing it to begin with, and our side doing it just doesn't sit quite right.
I understand the importance of sending a message, but if the way the message is sent is illegal, does that really help our cause??
OF course there are many different levels involved, and there is a difference between a "we will not help you" and "we will disobey the law".
Always remember the way the established ruling body looks at things. There is a system, which, while it may be difficult, does allow for change.
(he's a little off on his math because 150 years ago the Civil War had been over for 4 years)
But here's the point, the message they're getting ( or more likely the only message they're willing to accept) is not that they are wrong but that you are willing to defy the law.
And, of course, tis horrid, unethical, illegal and even dishonorable
to defy the law, because the law was made all due, correct and proper processes were followed...
if you look at that quote and move back nearly another hundred years, it becomes...
The acts passed by Parliament and carried out by the Crown Governor are binding for our entire Commonwealth and its citizens,
The legal precedent we would set by allowing Colonial communities to selectively ignore those laws at will is alarming and indicative of rebellion against the Crown and treason....
anyone else see a pattern here?
I applaud the good people of your state for their show of solidarity, though I have personal reservations over the Sanctuary idea being the best way to send the message, I won't say you shouldn't use every tool that works.
Do keep in mind the one constant that history teaches,....
There is NEVER any justification for rebellion against lawful authority...
unless you WIN.
HOWEVER,
I am of a divided mind on the entire idea of "Sanctuary" anything. On the one hand, I enjoy the irony of using the tactic for our cause as some use it for the illegal immigrant cause, but this is balanced with my feeling that they shouldn't be doing it to begin with, and our side doing it just doesn't sit quite right.
I understand the importance of sending a message, but if the way the message is sent is illegal, does that really help our cause??
OF course there are many different levels involved, and there is a difference between a "we will not help you" and "we will disobey the law".
Always remember the way the established ruling body looks at things. There is a system, which, while it may be difficult, does allow for change.
(he's a little off on his math because 150 years ago the Civil War had been over for 4 years)
But here's the point, the message they're getting ( or more likely the only message they're willing to accept) is not that they are wrong but that you are willing to defy the law.
And, of course, tis horrid, unethical, illegal and even dishonorable
to defy the law, because the law was made all due, correct and proper processes were followed...if you look at that quote and move back nearly another hundred years, it becomes...
The acts passed by Parliament and carried out by the Crown Governor are binding for our entire Commonwealth and its citizens,
The legal precedent we would set by allowing Colonial communities to selectively ignore those laws at will is alarming and indicative of rebellion against the Crown and treason....
anyone else see a pattern here?
I applaud the good people of your state for their show of solidarity, though I have personal reservations over the Sanctuary idea being the best way to send the message, I won't say you shouldn't use every tool that works.
Do keep in mind the one constant that history teaches,....
There is NEVER any justification for rebellion against lawful authority...
unless you WIN.
jrinne0430
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Does anyone know of this rally for this Monday 9 Dec in Richmond? I know of the one for 20 Jan.
https://support.vatp.org/stopthegungrab/
https://support.vatp.org/stopthegungrab/
When's the next VA election for state legislature?
Only way to 'not be controlled' is to make the state legislature reflect the 'majority'..but that takes $ and resolve. Sounds like you have the 'resolve', but blaming 'trans plants' and 'out of state money'...sounds like a place to look for the next election...$$, and more $$...
From what I have read, the sanctuary resolutions passed by many Virginia counties differ in their wording and not all promise to defy the prevailing state law. I agree that illegal defiance is difficult to justify for our side when we decry its use for liberal causes such as immigration.
The supervisors of Floyd County are drafting their own resolution to fit Floyd rather than using cookie-cutter text from other counties. Per our Board of Supervisors Chairman Lauren Yoder as quoted in the Floyd Press:
"Ultimately, Yoder was clear-eyed about the authority (or lack thereof) of county governments to regulate gun ownership. “One of the biggest things I don’t want to do is mislead people into thinking we have more power than we do. Counties really don’t have that much power,” he explained. “I really want our resolution to be more about advocating to the state and stating our position on the issue, rather than saying that we’re going to somehow absolve someone from a felony. We don’t have that power,” Yoder reiterated."
I'm sure the various counties understand their legal limitations, but lacking any real power to stop the coming regulations are using these resolutions as a protest and a show of unity in the rural counties. The collective outcry just may cause some Virginia delegates representing purple districts to give the matter some thought, and perhaps negotiate some softening of the proposed new regulations, such as grandfathering.
We just had the election for the state offices. They won't happen again for two years. Virginia has off year elections for state offices so we're always in an election cycle alternating between national and state elections.
That's my point...this much post election outrage has to be channeled and transformed into support at the ballot box, IMHO..If the last VA state legislature races were CLOSE, it would be one thing but, in a lot of cases, they weren't.
I'm not in VA but rallies, proclamations, etc...It DOES send 'messages' but real change happens at the ballot box..
jrinne0430
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There is a rally this Monday 9 Dec in Richmond and another on 20 Jan. Also, attend your county board of supervisors upcoming meetings as many are happening very soon (see links for details). If you have not called or emailed your state delegate and senator, especially those in competitive districts, do that now. We must prevent the laws from getting on the books as they are difficult to remove once added. Also, plan on many legal/court battles ahead.
https://support.vatp.org/stopthegungrab/
https://www.vcdl.org/
https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/
https://support.vatp.org/stopthegungrab/
https://www.vcdl.org/
https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/
the demographics of Virginia have changed and are still changing, even in some rural counties. Even getting your base core of support out is going to be less and less effective as time goes on. its time to change tactics and broaden that base. thumping your chest and threatening civil war isnt going to get it done. And its not just virginia.
Made my point better than me...+1
Bartholomew Roberts
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heyjoe said:
Broaden that base? How? By taking in people who only support a little gun control so we have more numbers?
But let’s say we can broaden our base to stalwart, no-compromise 2A voters - except they won’t vote for stalwart, no-compromise 2A politicians because they don’t like those politicians views on koala immigration or the burgeoning tortoise employment gap. And in the party that does share their views, there are ZERO no-compromise 2A politicians because they are primaried with put of state money and hamstrung by leadership until they lose.
“Broadening your base” means a generations-long effort of reaching out to every possible ally you can knowing that well over 90% of them are going to be a waste of time and oxygen. And its a great strategy; but people should understand it isn’t an overnight one. The first part of “broadening the base” is revitalizing the 2A in both parties so that people who do support the 2A have choices. Look at where we are now in the White House, not an ideal choice from a 2A perspective; but pretty much the only one that was left from a 2A perspective.
That’s never going to get anything done. Not the least because 98% of those people threatening civil war can’t even be bothered to do basic political legwork as a volunteer; but they are suddenly going to become an outlaw and live in the cold and damp while being hunted like animals? They’re just another variety of LARPer.
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