Proposed VA Legislation

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Bartholomew Roberts said:
"I think some of them do indeed see punishment of wrongthink as the main feature and not a cherry on top. How else do you explain people who acknowledge the policy won’t really help their stated goal and yet they push it anyway?

Not to mention I see that sentiment a lot these days on the under 30 crowd of lawyers on either side."
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Regrettably I suspect Mr. Roberts has nailed it.

There is within a significant percentage of those on the Progressive Liberal end of the political spectrum, which includes most if not all anti-gun sentiment, a sense that their goals and ends are virtuous; whereas the counter-perspective is not merely without virtue per se, but additionally is affiliated with anti-social paradigms that include racism, homophobia, misogyny, islamophobia, white privilege, hyper-patriotism, and a host of other psycho-social ills characteristic of conservative thought.

In other words, in the view of many anti-gunners people who enjoy firearms are not merely exhibiting 'wrong-think', they exhibit antisocial perspectives and rationale that are pathological in one respect or another.

As Mr. Roberts noted, individuals who favor banning ARs/AKs, for example, or who favor repealing the Second Amendment altogether are willing to admit that such measures would not stop criminals -- who after all are disinclined to obey laws to begin with.

They're able to cognitively agree that waiting periods and 'closing the gun show loophole' would not have prevented any of the mass shootings of the previous years.

Yet they want these measures passed into law anyway, because such measures would punish gun owners and those who enjoy firearms, in the same way that sinners are punished in most major religions of the world. We deserve punishment because we are sinners - we reject the more virtuous conclusions of those who believe they occupy the moral and ethical high ground.

At least in the reading I've done on the matter, in a genuine attempt to understand the point of view of those who so ardently argue in favor of more gun laws, there is a genuine sense of aggrievement over the rejection of their paradigm by gun owners.

They're willing to agree that more gun laws would not stop those who do not obey laws anyway - but there remains a punitive sense that gun owners need to be punished and punished more, until they give up their guns and change their thinking to conform to new norms.

It isn't about stopping crime. It's more about disarming America by changing the way Americans think. And, its about winning by any means necessary.
 
44 AMP said:
I'd be willing to bet someone has felt that way about every election we've ever had since the first one.

"30 seats unopposed".. ok I'll assume its a verifiable fact. Now did one side do nothing? Or just nothing that you can see from outside? Lots of times things look different from the inside than they do from the outside.

How many of those seats were places where the local people decided it was simply a waste of resources fighting what they couldn't win? I don't know, but I think they do.

We are in a position where one party is actively working against something we believe in, and the other party has a lot of people who feel like "well, where else are you gonna go??" so they take our support as a given. Not all, by any means, but enough to have an effect.

It isn't one man, (or two if you count Pence) holding anything ALL BY THEMSELVES.
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Just how many people do you think are standing in between the next worst assault on the US Constitution? Am I off by just one person? I guess I should have included McConnell. If you think somehow that a unprecedented attack on gun rights would not be occurring right now if Trump did not hold the top spot and McConnell not hold the Senate, you are underestimating the left. They have learned from their mistakes... their mistakes being to not shred the constitution as much as they possibly can as fast as they can. They already proved they don't care about their own constituents by shoving Obamacare down America's throat with millions not being able to even afford the premiums so they paid the fine instead and did not have any insurance. If I were a middle class working democrat, I would have thought, "with friends like these, who needs enemies"... and somehow Obama sailed to his second term. If we did not have the Senate, I believe at this point in time that Pelosi and Schumer would shut down the government till an AWB was passed. And just wait till the next Democrats sits in the white house. What they do with their Pen and Phone will be nothing compared to what Obama did. The only thing they learned from Obama was how much further they actually could have pushed things... despite erasing most of what Obama has done. The left can go scorched earth because they think their constituents are expendable. I don't know of a single personality willing to disrupt the status quo the way Trump has. I could be wrong, it might just be Trump that is single handedly staving off what is coming. The left continues to underestimate him and I have no doubt that they would be bombarding any other republican president with much more cause they probably would not have fought nearly as hard as him.
 
Just how many people do you think are standing in between the next worst assault on the US Constitution?
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Quite a few, including some card carrying union member democrats. But then, I'm counting all the little people, in the basket of deplorables who aren't in public office as well as all those who are but aren't the top names in the news day after day. The point is, it isn't just the leaders alone who do the work. Yes, they take the credit, and the honest ones take the blame when it's due, but they aren't the only people working for the cause. On either side.

I will admit, "Hell yes! we're going to take your AR-15!" does sound more than a bit spiteful. Especially when others have spent years says "no one is going to take your guns"...though it does have the rather unique place of being open and honest about their actual goals. DO note how fast that fellow got bounced out, probably for being so foolish as to speak the truth in public.
Though, of course the stated reason(s) will be something else...

National politics is tied to state politics on many levels but focusing on national politics in this thread is drifting it away from the OP topic of the proposed law(s) in VA.

The list of things to be banned is an updated, revised edit of the things that were in the 94AWB, and have been the "Standard" of the gun banners since.

A few new phrases, a couple of tweaks, but basically its the same stuff they've been trying to get passed since the AWB sunset. Except for a few years after 9/11/2001 when they focused on "bigger issues".

Since there hasn't been a major successful terrorist attack on American soil since then, they have decided its time to go back to telling America the biggest threat to our personal safety is people owning guns, and specifically the "bad guns" such as "assault weapons".

Note the proposed VA law still uses the "evil features" formula. Semi autos are only "assault weapons" if they have certain features. I wonder how much time their staffers spent going though gun data with a "choose this, not that" list to fill??

I note that a semi auto pistol that is too HEAVY is an assault weapon. All you Desert Eagle owners, take note!

Take at look at the ban of shotguns with revolving cylinders. See if there's language attached to that that include "like kind" or "substantially similar to" phrases. That's their ground work for banning revolvers, AFTER they get rid of semi autos.

WA state passed a law last election cycle, and while it wasn't a ban this NOW it turned every single semi auto rifle in the state into a "semi automatic assault rifle" in legal definition. Imposes extra waiting periods, background checks, cost, training requirement and several other things. EVERY SINGLE semi auto rifle, no matter the age, caliber or design, military style or not.

They did this with the definition in the law which was essentially, any rifle that use force from the fired cartridge to reload the chamber. There were no "if it has this feature it is, and if it doesn't it isn't" They just took the base definition of ALL semi auto firearms and applied it to turn everything semi auto and a rifle into a "semiautomatic assault rifle".

Apparently the folks looking to outlaw guns in WA are taking a slightly slower approach than those in VA.
 
44 AMP said:
Quite a few, including some card carrying union member democrats. But then, I'm counting all the little people, in the basket of deplorables who aren't in public office as well as all those who are but aren't the top names in the news day after day. The point is, it isn't just the leaders alone who do the work. Yes, they take the credit, and the honest ones take the blame when it's due, but they aren't the only people working for the cause. On either side.

I will admit, "Hell yes! we're going to take your AR-15!" does sound more than a bit spiteful. Especially when others have spent years says "no one is going to take your guns"...though it does have the rather unique place of being open and honest about their actual goals. DO note how fast that fellow got bounced out, probably for being so foolish as to speak the truth in public.
Though, of course the stated reason(s) will be something else...

National politics is tied to state politics on many levels but focusing on national politics in this thread is drifting it away from the OP topic of the proposed law(s) in VA.

The list of things to be banned is an updated, revised edit of the things that were in the 94AWB, and have been the "Standard" of the gun banners since.

A few new phrases, a couple of tweaks, but basically its the same stuff they've been trying to get passed since the AWB sunset. Except for a few years after 9/11/2001 when they focused on "bigger issues".

Since there hasn't been a major successful terrorist attack on American soil since then, they have decided its time to go back to telling America the biggest threat to our personal safety is people owning guns, and specifically the "bad guns" such as "assault weapons".

Note the proposed VA law still uses the "evil features" formula. Semi autos are only "assault weapons" if they have certain features. I wonder how much time their staffers spent going though gun data with a "choose this, not that" list to fill??

I note that a semi auto pistol that is too HEAVY is an assault weapon. All you Desert Eagle owners, take note!

Take at look at the ban of shotguns with revolving cylinders. See if there's language attached to that that include "like kind" or "substantially similar to" phrases. That's their ground work for banning revolvers, AFTER they get rid of semi autos.

WA state passed a law last election cycle, and while it wasn't a ban this NOW it turned every single semi auto rifle in the state into a "semi automatic assault rifle" in legal definition. Imposes extra waiting periods, background checks, cost, training requirement and several other things. EVERY SINGLE semi auto rifle, no matter the age, caliber or design, military style or not.

They did this with the definition in the law which was essentially, any rifle that use force from the fired cartridge to reload the chamber. There were no "if it has this feature it is, and if it doesn't it isn't" They just took the base definition of ALL semi auto firearms and applied it to turn everything semi auto and a rifle into a "semiautomatic assault rifle".

Apparently the folks looking to outlaw guns in WA are taking a slightly slower approach than those in VA.
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Along with a lot of your other points, I definitely agree that a lack of a major successful attack breeds major complacency... to the point it is advantageous to those working against us. I believe even a minor attack... of course it's only minor to those not in the kill zone, would be enough to stop, at least temporarily, this push like the one in VA.

I do hold out some hope for us... we have a chance to gain more ground. I just can't help but recognize the severity of the threat/left... and VA is practically my second home state. There may be a few days a month that I don't enter VA.
 
American Man said:
"Win on election day...Rules of 'war', whoever wins the war makes the rules.."

Well, we won on election day and Victory only feels like we get to stall the destruction of the US just a little bit longer. If we had a party that fought for freedom the way the democrats fight for oppression and mind control I'd say things wouldn't look so bleak for the future. Right now it is one man holding a tidal wave of Hell waiting to be unleashed on us... two if you count Pence.

VA is not the only target. But for now VA is probably Ground Zero... 2020 will be huge.
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Don't want to make this a political argument but 'that one man' isn't necessarily a friend of gun rights. His 'rhetoric' speaks volumes and his motivations are different than yours or mine. What he says during TV moments is different than what he says to the leaders in Congress and different during than what he says at one of his rallies.

VA was already 'ground zero', in 2019 and the GOP organization in VA blew it. 2020 will only be 'huge' if VA isn't the example.
 
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Virginia is not "ground zero." ALL the states are "ground zero," since the anti-gun forces have realized that it's easier to buy votes in state legislatures than it is to achieve their goals in Washington, DC. Several states have already enacted laws similar to those Virginia is now facing, and next year the same (or similar) draconian laws will be presnted in other state legislatures.

IIRC, one of the patriots around the time of the American Revolution said something like, "Together we stand, divided we fall."
 
since the anti-gun forces have realized that it's easier to buy votes in state legislatures than it is to achieve their goals in Washington, DC.
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'Buy votes', along with 'illegal voting'....well, the 'people' can only vote for somebody who shares their views if they run...doesn't the GOP have a large 'war chest' too? Or is the VA GOP so altruistic they see throwing money at a candidate(buying votes) is above them?
 
Let's keep up the pressure! Also, for any of those who have not contacted their state delegate or senator, especially those from the reasonable areas, contact them! Also, ignore the naysayers.

More updates from VCDL below...show up to as many as these as possible.

I now have complete information on where the following localities are going to meet to either take public input, or to vote, on Second Amendment Sanctuary resolutions. There are also many new hearings in the list below and a correction. (These are only counties that have hearings scheduled. I have other localities I'll do in another alert that we need to contact, but are not yet scheduled to have a hearing.) Keep this information and mark your calendar. Notice will NOT be resent before each county meeting. Let's pack these meetings!

1. Spotsylvania County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
2. Goochland County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
3. Powhatan County to vote on resolution on 11/25/19
4. Greene County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
5. Wythe County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
6. Prince Edward County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
7. Floyd County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
8. Louisa County to hear resolution on 12/2/19
9. Prince George County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
10. Northumberland County to vote on resolution on 12/12/19
11. Page County to hear resolution on 12/3/19
12. Charles City County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
13. Glouster County to vote on resolution on 12/3/19
14. Washington County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
15. Westmoreland County to vote on resolution 12/9/19
16. Warren County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
17. Tazwell County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
18. Fauquier County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
19. Gloucester County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
20. Correction on date: Pulaski County to consider 2A Sanctuary resolution on 12/25/19
21. Augusta County to hear resolution 11/26/19
22. Caroline County to discuss resolution on 1/8/2020
23. Frederick County to discuss resolution on 12/11/19
24. Nelson County to hear resolution on 12/10/19
25. Henrico County to hear resolution on 11/26/19
26. Montgomery County to vote on resolution on 12/9/19
27. Russell County to discuss resolution on 12/2/19
28. Mecklenburg County to discuss resolution on 12/9/19
29. Craig County to vote on resolution on 12/5/19
30. Henry County to discuss resolution on 11/26/19
31. King George to vote on resolution on 12/3/19
32. Scott County to vote on resolution on 12/4/19

1. Spotsylvania County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
Date they are voting on resolution: 12-10-2019
Time: 4:30 PM
Location:
Holbert Building
9104 Courthouse Road, Spotsylvania, Virginia

Supervisors
Chairman, Paul Trampe, Salem
(p)-540-850-9073
(e)- PTrampe@spotsylvania.va.us

Vice Chairman, Gary Skinner, Lee Hill
(p)-540-891-6610
(e)-

David Ross, Courtland
(p)-540-582-9842
(e)-David.Ross@spotsylvania.va.us

Chris Yakabouski, Battlefield
(p)- 540-424-1440
(e)- cyakabouski@spotsylvania.va.us

Kevin Marshall, Berkely
(p)-540-755-6087
(e)-kmarshall@spotsylvania.va.us

Greg Benton, Livingston
(p)-540-854-4168
(e)-GBenton@spotsylvania.va.us

Tim McLaughlin, Chancellor
(p)-540-850-9092
(e)-McLaughlinTJ@spotsylvania.va.us

2. Goochland County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
Board of Supervisors
Regular Meeting
Time: 7:00 p.m.
Board Meeting Room 250
1800 Sandy Hook Road Goochland, VA 23063

District 1
Susan F. Lascolette, Vice-Chair, 2019
(804) 338-3843 (c)
susanl@goochlandva.us

District 2
Manuel Alvarez, Jr.,Chair 2019
(804) 556-0115
malvarez@goochlandva.us

District 3
John Lumpkins, Jr.
(804) 517-9511 (c)
jlumpkins@goochlandva.us

District 4
Robert H. Minnick
(804) 784-5220
rminnick@goochlandva.us

District 5
Ken Peterson, Chair 2018
(804) 784-2669
kpeterson@goochlandva.us

3. Powhatan County to vote on resolution on 11/25/19
11/25/19 6:00 p.m.
Village Building Auditorium
3910 Old Buckingham Road
Powhatan, VA 23139

Angela Cabill
acabill@powhatanva.gov
804-598-9696

William Melton
bmelton@powhatanva.gov
804-598-6252

Larry Nordvig
lnordvig@powhatanva.gov
804-556-1048

Carson Tucker
ctucker@powhatanva.gov
804-598-2213

David Williams
dwilliams@powhatanva.gov
804-598-5187

4. Greene County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19

Board of Supervisor’s Room on the second floor of the Greene County Courthouse
22 Court Street Standardsville, VA. 22973

No carry as meeting is in a courthouse.

Meeting starts at 7:30 pm, but a large crowd is expected; so should show up early! If people would like to contact our BoS members, they can do that using the following information:
Bill Martin, Chair - Stanardsville District
bmartin@gcva.us
434-996-3726

Michelle Flynn, Vice Chair - Ruckersville District
mflynn@gcva.us
434-989-4720

Dale R. Herring - At Large
dherring@gcva.us
434-985-3535

Marie C. Durrer - Midway District
mdurrer@gcva.us
434-985-7622

David L. Cox - Monroe District
dcox@gcva.us
434-960-3653

5. Wythe County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
Wythe Co. BOS meeting Tues., November 26 at 9AM.

Administration Building
340 So. 6th Street
Wytheville, VA

contact: County Administrator Stephen Bear "sdbear" <sdbear@wytheco.org> 276-223-4500

6. Prince Edward County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
Date: Tuesday, December 10th
Time: 7pm
Location: Prince Edward County Courthouse
County Board Room
Third Floor
111 South St
Farmville, VA 23901

Carry is NOT allowed in a courthouse.

You can email the entire Board of Supervisors by clicking here.

7. Floyd County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
Dec 10 8:30 AM

Floyd County Administration Building
120 West Oxford Street
Floyd, Virginia 24091
Phone: (540) 745-9300

Lauren D. Yoder – Chairman
Locust Grove District
lyoder@floydcova.org
(540) 330-3245

Joe D. Turman – Vice Chairman
Burks Fork District
jturman8@gmail.com
(540) 789-7045

Jerry W. Boothe
Courthouse District
jboothe@floydcova.org
(540) 745-2801

Justin Coleman
Indian Valley District
wjcoleman@floydcova.org
(540) 763-3825

Linda DeVito Kuchenbuch
Little River District
ldevito@floydcova.org
(540) 230-7255

8. Louisa County to hear resolution on 12/2/19
Louisa County 2A Sanctuary County meeting:

Monday, December 2
Public Meeting begins at 6PM (closed session before that)
Louisa County Administration Building
Public Meeting Room
1 Woolfolk Avenue
Louisa, Virginia 23093

Toni Williams
Jackson District, Chairman
LCBS_JD@louisa.org
Phone: 540-894-7590

Duane Adams
Mineral District, Vice Chairman
LCBS_MD@louisa.org
Phone: 540-894-3149

Robert Babyok
Green Springs District
LCBS_GSD@louisa.org
Phone: 301-351-9910

Tommy Barlow
Mountain Road District
LCBS_MRD@louisa.org
Phone: 804-556-4656
Mobile: 804-310-4130
Work: 804-556-4666

Fitzgerald A. Barnes
Patrick Henry District
LCBS_PHD@louisa.org
Phone: 540-967-1967
Mobile: 434-996-8534

Willie L. Gentry, Jr.
Cuckoo District
LCBS_CD@louisa.org
Phone: 540-894-4751
Mobile: 540-894-6437

Troy Wade
Louisa District
LCBS_LD@louisa.org
Phone: 434-466-8349

9. Prince George County to vote on resolution on 12/10/19
Date - December 10
Time - 6:00 p.m.
Location - County Administration Bldg.
Boardroom
Third Floor
6602 Courts Drive
Prince George

Carry is allowed.


Chairman: Donald Hunter dhunter@princegeorgecountyva.gov
Cell Phone: (804) 894-0433

Marlene J. Waymack: mwaymack@princegeorgecountyva.gov
Cell Phone: (804) 712-9111

T.J. Webb: tjwebb@princegeorgecountyva.gov
Phone: (804) 731-0422
Cell Phone: (804) 895-3022

Vice Chairman: Floyd M. Brown fbrown@princegeorgecountyva.gov
Cell phone: (804) 712-8939

Alan R. Carmichael: Acarmichael@princegeorgecountyva.gov
Phone: (804) 839-2181
10. Northumberland County to vote on resolution on 12/12/19
Northumberland New County Court House
220 Judicial Place
Heathsville, VA 22473

No carry allowed in courthouse

Next meeting December 12, beginning at 5:30 p.m. with Public Hearings starting at 7:00 p.m (unless otherwise noted) . All meetings are held in the New County Courthouse.

BOARD MEMBERS

Ronald L. Jett, Chairman
rljett@co.northumberland.va.us
804-580-0516

Richard F. Haynie, Vice Chairman
rfhaynie@co.northumberland.va.us
804-580-6821

A. Joseph Self, Sr.
ajself@co.northumberland.va.us
804-529-6393

James M. Long
jmlong@co.northumberland.va.us
804-580-2477

Thomas H. Tomlin
thtomlin@co.northumberland.va.us
804-580-7112
11. Page County to hear resolution on 12/3/19

7 p.m.
12/3/19
103 S Court Street
Board Room, 2nd Floor
Luray, VA 22835

12. Charles City County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
Tuesday the 26th at 7:30 pm.

Government / School Administration Building Auditorium
10900 Courthouse Road
Charles City, VA 23030

13. Glouster County to vote on resolution on 12/3/19

6:30 p.m.
Colonial Courthouse
6504 Main Street
Gloucester, VA 23061


No emails for Board of Supervisors, so you'll have to call them:

Ashley Chriscoe, Chair, 804-693-0471
Phillip N. Bazzani, Vice Chair, 804-642-5631
Christopher “Chris” Hutson, 804-642-9900
Andrew “Andy” James, Jr., 804-693-3477
Robert “JJ” Orth, 804-693-4762
Kevin M. Smith, 804-384-7072
Michael “Mike” Winebarger, 804-815-1449

14. Washington County to vote on resolution on 11/26/19
Will be held on Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:30pm at:

1 Government Center Place
Abingdon, VA 24210

15. Westmoreland County to vote on resolution 12/9/19
Westmoreland County VA Board Supervisors upcoming meeting scheduled to discuss a Sanctuary locality

Date Monday December 9, 2019
Time 6:00 p.m.
Location:
George D. English, Sr. Memorial Building
111 Polk Street
Montross, Virginia, 22520.

NOTE: No email for the Board of Supervisors in Westmoreland County! You will have to call them.

The Board consists of :

Darryl E. Fisher, Chairman
Election District #1
1520 Nomini Hall Road
Hague, VA 22469
804-472-3794

W. W. Hynson, Vice Chairman
Election District #4
436 Thompson Circle
Colonial Beach, VA 22443
804-224-9684

Russ Culver
Election District #2
88 Stern Way
Montross, VA 22520
804-859-0001

Dorothy Dickerson Tate
Election District #3
10400 Kings Highway
Montross, VA 22520
804-493-9592

Larry Roberson
Election District #5
215 Cedar Avenue
Colonial Beach, VA 22443
804-224-9453
16. Warren County to vote on resolution 12/10/19
Date: Dec 10, 2019
Time: 9:00 am
Location: Warren County Government Center ,
220 N Commerce Ave
Front Royal, VA 22630

County Board of Supervisors (Name, District, E-mail, Phone):

Daniel Murry (Chairman), North River District, 540-868-1465
Thomas Sayre (Vice-Chairman), Shenandoah District, 540-636-7777
Tony Carter, Happy Creek District, 540-635-8401
Archie Fox, Fork District, 540-636-9948
Linda Glavis, South River District, 540-636-3802

Warren County does not provide e-mail addresses, but they can be contacted via webform under each of the profiles at https://www.warrencountyva.net/board-of-supervisors.

(The Sheriff of Warren County, Mark Butler, wants the County to be a 2A Sanctuary!)

17. Tazwell County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
5:30 pm, 12/3/19

County BOS Meeting Room (first floor, faces Main St - lots of big windows) in the County Administration building.
197 Main St
Tazewell VA

18. Fauquier County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
Warren Green Building, 10 Hotel Street in Warrenton, Virginia
December 12 - 6:30pm

You can email the entire Board of Supervisors by clicking here.

19. Gloucester County to vote on resolution 12/3/19
Gloucester County December 3, 2019. Meeting starts at 6:30 PM

Colonial Courthouse (unless otherwise noted on posted meeting calendar - not available yet )
6504 Main Street
Gloucester, VA 23061

20. Correction on date: Pulaski County to consider 2A Sanctuary resolution on 12/25/19
Pulaski County is going to consider a 2A Sanctuary Resolution on Monday, November 25 at 7 pm at:

Board Room Room
County Administration Building
143 Third Street N.W.
Town of Pulaski, Virginia

Let's pack the room and beyond!

If you live in Pulaski County, contact your Board of Supervisors member and urge them to pass a resolution making Pulaski County a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary.

For Pulaski County residents only. Include your name, address, and indicate your support for Pulaski County becoming a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary as Carroll, Charlotte, Campbell, Appomattox, Patrick, Dinwiddie, Lee, and Pittsylvania Counties have already done. Include this link to VCDL's model Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution: https://www.vcdl.org/resources/Resources/Model_Resolution.docx

Howard A. "Andy" McCready, Chairman
Massie District
Email: amc@pulaskicounty.org

Dean K. Pratt, Vice Chairman
Draper District
Email: dpratt@pulaskicounty.org

Joseph W. Guthrie
Cloyd District
Email: jwguthrie@pulaskicounty.org

Ranny E. O'Dell, Sr.
Ingles District
Email: odellroho289@aol.com

Charles R. Bopp
Robinson District
Email: cbopp@pulaskicounty.org

21. Augusta County to hear resolution 11/26/19
Augusta County will be holding a meeting on Tuesday November 26th at 7:00 pm in the Verona government center to discuss Augusta County becoming a Second Amendment Sanctuary.

18 Government Center Lane
Verona VA

22. Caroline County to discuss resolution on 1/8/2020
The board will meet Tuesday January 8, 2020 at 6pm. The meeting will be at Community Service Center Auditorium; 17202 Richmond Turnpike Milford 22514

23. Frederick County to discuss resolution on 12/11/19
Date: 12/11/2019 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
Location: Board Meeting Room
107 North Kent Street
Winchester, Virginia 22601


Frederick County VA Board of Supervisors
Charles S. DeHaven, Jr., Chairman At-Large
Phone: (540) 662-7421
Fax: (540) 678-8828
Email: chdehaven@fcva.us

Gary A. Lofton, Back Creek Supervisor
Phone: (540) 869-1972
Email: glofton@fcva.us

J. Douglas McCarthy, Gainesboro Supervisor
Phone: (540) 535-8632
Email: dmccarthy@fcva.us

Robert W. Wells, Opequon Supervisor
Phone: (540) 869-1168
Email: rwells@fcva.us

Blaine P. Dunn, Red Bud Supervisor
540-665-8006
Email: bdunn@fcva.us

Shannon Trout, Shawnee Supervisor
Email: strout@fcva.us

Judith McCann-Slaughter, Stonewall Supervisor
Phone: (540) 533-2410
Email: jslaughter@fcva.us

24. Nelson County to hear resolution on 12/10/19
It is not yet determined if the resolution will be taken up at the 2 pm meeting or the 7 pm meeting. Check with our Supervisor next week.

84 Courthouse Square
Lovingston, VA 22949

NOTE: Carry is NOT allowed in a courthouse.

Nelson County Board of Supervisors:

LARRY SAUNDERS
larrya5819@aol.com
434-981-1235

THOMAS D. HARVEY
harveyASC@gmail.com
540-456-6379

JESSE RUTHERFORD
jrutherford@nelsoncounty.org
434-981-8728

THOMAS H. BRUGUIERE, JR
orchards187@gmail.com
434-277-8609

ERNIE REED
ereed@nelsoncounty.org
434-249-8330

25. Henrico County to hear resolution on 11/26/19
We've heard that the Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution will be brought up at this meeting:

Tuesday November 26 at 7:00 pm

HOWEVER, it is not on the official agenda. Check with your Supervisor to confirm and tell them of your support for the resolution.

West Henrico Government Center
4301 E. Parham Road
Henrico, A 23228

Henrico County Board of Supervisors:
(804)501-4206
http://henrico.us/supervisors

Brookland District:
Dan J. Schmitt
brookland@henrico.us

Fairfield District :
Frank Thornton
fairfield@henrico.us

Three Chopt District:
Thomas M. Branin (Vice Chair)
threechopt@henrico.us

Tuckahoe District:
Patricia O’Bannon
tuckahoe@henrico.us

Varina District:
Tyrone E. Nelson (Chair)
varina@henrico.us

26. Montgomery County to vote on resolution on 12/9/19
Montgomery County 2A Sanctuary BOS meeting is on 12/9/19 at 7:15PM at:

Government building
755 Roanoke St
Christiansburg 24073

District A: Sara Bohn
2360 Woodland Hills Dr.
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Phone: (540) 632-3303
bohnsr@montgomerycountyva.gov

District B: Chris Tuck
539 Wisteria Dr.
Radford, VA 24141
Phone: (540) 633-2354
tuckca@montgomerycountyva.gov

District C: Steve Fijalkowski
2557 Mt. Pleasant Rd.
Shawsville, VA 24162
Phone: (540) 268-5953, (540) 632-3345
fijalkowskisr@montgomerycountyva.go

District D: Todd King, Chair
P.O. Box 8
Riner, VA 24149
Phone: (540) 315-2302
kingmt@montgomerycountyva.gov

District E: Darrell Sheppard
4513 Long Shop Rd.
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Phone: (540) 577-0813
shepparddo@montgomerycountyva.gov

District F: Mary Biggs
701 Hutcheson Dr.
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Home phone: (540) 951-2906
Home fax: (540) 951-2903
biggsmw@montgomerycountyva.gov

District G: April DeMotts, Vice Chair
211 Craig Drive
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Phone: (540) 577-0928
demottsan@montgomerycountyva.gov

27. Russell County to discuss resolution on 12/2/19
2A Sanctuary resolution will be presented at the Russell County BOS meeting. That regularly scheduled meeting should be held 12/2/19 @ 6:00PM at 137 Highland Drive, Lebanon, VA 24266.

28. Mecklenburg County to discuss resolution on 12/9/19
The Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, R.W."Bobby" Hawkins has stated he will be going before the Board of Supervisors Monday Dec 9th at 19:00, 350 Washington St Boydton,Va. 23917, to ask that Mecklenburg adopt a 2A resolution.

Supervisors:

District #1
The Honorable Andy R. Hargrove
Phone: (434)252-0348 (H)
andy.hargrove@mecklenburgva.com

District #2
The Honorable Glanzy M. Spain, Jr.
Phone: (434)372-3309 (H)
glanzy.spain@mecklenburgva.com

District #3
The Honorable Evans D. Tanner, Jr.
Phone: (434)757-1888 (H)
dan.tanner@mecklenburgva.com

District #4
The Honorable Claudia H. Lundy
Phone: (434)955-7036 (H)
claudia.lundy@mecklenburgva.com

District #5
The Honorable Glenn E. Barbour
Chairman
Phone: (434)447-8397 (H)
glenn.barbour@mecklenburgva.com

District #6
The Honorable Sterling Wilkinson
Phone:(434)917-3755(C)
sterling.wilkinson@mecklenburgva.com

District #7
The Honorable James D. Jennings
Phone: (434)372-3387 (H)
james.jennings@mecklenburgva.com

District #8
The Honorable David A. Brankley
Phone: (434)374-2342 (H)
david.brankley@mecklenburgva.com

District #9
The Honorable Gregg Gordon
Vice Chairman
Phone:(434)374-2520 (O)
gregg.gordon@mecklenburgva.com

29. Craig County to vote on resolution on 12/5/19
The Craig County Board of Supervisors are to meet at Court House on Dec 5 at 6pm, and will be voting on a resolution to declare Craig County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County.

The public is encouraged to attend and voice their opinion and support this measure.

Craig County Courthouse
182 Main Street
New Castle, Virginia

Hon. Jesse Spence, Chair, New Castle District, Elected 2013, Office 1/1/18 term ends 12/31/21
email: jspence@craigcountyva.gov
Hon. Rusty Zimmerman, Craig City District, Elected 2015, Office 1/1/16 term ends 12/31/19
email: rzimmerman@craigcountyva.gov
Hon. Carl Bailey, Vice Chair, Potts Mountain District, Elected 2015, Office 1/1/16 term ends 12/31/19
email: cbailey@craigcountyva.gov
Hon. Casey McKenzie, Craig Creek District, Elected 2015, Office 1/1/16 term ends 12/31/19
email: cmckenzie@craigcountyva.gov
Hon. Kathi Toelke, Simmonsville District, Elected 2017, Office 1/1/18 term ends 12/31/21
email: ktoelke@craigcountyva.gov
30. Henry County to discuss resolution on 11/26/19
3pm It is on the agenda (then they have closed door session) & 6pm open for public comment. It is recommended people come for both times if possible.

Henry County Administration Building
3300 Kings Mountain Road
Martinsville VA

Board Members
Jim Adams Chairman
Blackberry District
jadams@co.henry.va.us
(276) 629-8543

Joe Bryant
Collinsville District
jbryant@co.henry.va.us
(276) 647-3522 or (276) 252-5210

DEBRA BUCHANAN, VICE-CHAIRPERSON
Horsepasture District
dbbuchanan@comcast.net
(276) 957-1394

Dr. David Martin
Iriswood District
jdmartin@co.henry.va.us
(276) 224-7154

31. King George to vote on resolution on 12/3/19
December 3 at 7 pm
Revercomb Building
10459 Courthouse Drive, King George, VA 22485

Ruby Brabo (at large)
rubyb@co.kinggeorge.state.va.us

Richard Granger (James Madison)
rgranger@co.kinggeorge.state.va.us

Cathy Binder (Shiloh)
Shiloh@co.kinggeorge.state.va.us

Jeffrey Bueche (James Monroe)
Monroe@co.kinggeorge.state.va.us

John Jenkins Jr. (Dahlgren)
jenkinsje@co.kinggeorge.state.va.us

32. Scott County to vote on resolution on 12/4/19
December 4, 2019 at 8:30 AM in the Board of Supervisors Meeting Room at the Scott County Administrative Offices, 190 Beech Street, Suite 201, Gate City, Virginia 24251

At LargeDavid S. Redwine, DVM (Vice-Chairman)
dredwine@scottcountyva.com
(423) 384-1982 (C)

District 1Darrel Jeter
djeter@scottcountyva.com
(276) 386-6671 (H)

District 2Marshall Tipton
mtipton@scottcountyva.com
(276) 386-4215 (H)
(276) 791-3334 (C)

District 3Jack Compton
jcompton@scottcountyva.com
(276) 467-2319 (H)

District 4Joe W. Herron
jherron@scottcountyva.com
(276) 452-4510 (H)

District 5Danny P. Mann (Chairman)
dmann@scottcountyva.com
(276) 467-2176 (H)
(423) 306-2383 (C)

District 6Chad E. Hood
chood@scottcountyva.com
(276) 431-2714 (H)
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They're going after the 1st Amendment too: Senate Bill No. 64
SENATE BILL NO. 64
Offered January 8, 2020
Prefiled November 21, 2019
A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.
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Patron-- Lucas
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Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as follows:
§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.
A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
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Teach someone how to assemble an AR-15, or train them in use of firearms, you can go to prison.
 
Those who pursue anti-gun legislation have been organizing for years, and currently are well funded and adept at use of social media to influence voters and achieve goals. In addition to positions in local and county governments or councils, they're also involved in school board elections and PTA-type organizations to influence school curriculum's and messaging.

It's time that gun-rights supporters adopt equally grass-roots level organization and social media presence to fight back against anti-gun state legislation efforts.

The posts above are spot on: it doesn't matter, in the final analysis, if the federal government is prevented from maintaining a federal database of gun owners, if each of the states maintain a state government database of gun owners. If we are forced to register our guns by each state, it won't matter that we aren't registered with the federal government. The State will still have a comprehensive registry of all American gun owners.

It's time to focus on state level legislation, which can more easily create a far more draconian and dystopian future than federal level legislation.

Aguila Blanca said it best above:

Virginia is not ground zero. All the states are ground zero - Virginia is merely the state in the spotlight today. Washington is going the same direction, California of course has already gone there, and other western states inundated by ex-Californians such as Colorado are headed in the same direction.

Organize or lose. These are our choices.
 
USNRet93 said:
'Buy votes', along with 'illegal voting'....well, the 'people' can only vote for somebody who shares their views if they run...doesn't the GOP have a large 'war chest' too? Or is the VA GOP so altruistic they see throwing money at a candidate(buying votes) is above them?
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I wasn't referring to the Democratic [sic] party, the DNC, or Virginia's D organization. Bloomberg and his spin-off "grass roots" organizations have been spending heavily in carefully selected states to elect anti-gun legislators and to enact anti-gun laws. The strategy seems to have shifted away from Washington, DC, to the "death by a thousand cuts" approach -- they'll chip away at gun rights one or two states at a time until they get what whey want without any help from Washington.
 
Teach someone how to assemble an AR-15, or train them in use of firearms, you can go to prison.
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look more closely, especially this line,

or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons,
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better be closing all those martial arts dojos, too!

You know, once they get the law on the books it can be applied to things other than just firearms. Oh not right away, of course, but eventually...

I did not see any exemption for police training. Probably just not in the cited passage, but if there isn't actually an exemption in the proposed law, I can see a lawsuit (or several) in the making, if they DON'T arrest police trainers along with "regular" citizens...

If they're gonna make it the law, then they should make it the law for EVERYONE! (but of course, they won't...)

Organize or lose. These are our choices.
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Always has been. Just don't be fooled into thinking that being organized and having influence in the legislature is enough to keep our gun rights. It's not. Look at Washington state as an example. The last couple gun control laws passed were not passed by the Legislature. They had been DEFEATED in the Legislature SEVERAL TIMES. They got passed through Voter Initiative, thanks to a lot of money being spent on ad campaigns targeted in the urban areas of the state, misleading and even lying to the people, and the people's general laziness in voting based only on the title of the law, NOT what was in it. The measures passed in the 5 counties of the I-5 corridor (Seattle metro area) and nowhere else in the state.

HOWEVER, those counties had the population density to make it the law for the entire state.

SO don't think being able to keep anti gun laws from being passed in the Legislature is enough to keep our rights.

Straight "snout counting" democracy is not the best system. Its just usually not the worst system, but it has drawbacks. 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner is also democracy. But its not real good for the sheep.
 
Aguila Blanca said:
Virginia is not "ground zero." ALL the states are "ground zero," since the anti-gun forces have realized that it's easier to buy votes in state legislatures than it is to achieve their goals in Washington, DC. Several states have already enacted laws similar to those Virginia is now facing, and next year the same (or similar) draconian laws will be presnted in other state legislatures.

IIRC, one of the patriots around the time of the American Revolution said something like, "Together we stand, divided we fall."
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Some states are at a much greater risk of falling faster. VA and NC have been compromised greatly over the years and they have bounced back. VA just took a hard butt kicking... I do worry about all states but I thought my point was pretty clear.
 
USNRet93 said:
Don't want to make this a political argument but 'that one man' isn't necessarily a friend of gun rights. His 'rhetoric' speaks volumes and his motivations are different than yours or mine. What he says during TV moments is different than what he says to the leaders in Congress and different during than what he says at one of his rallies.

VA was already 'ground zero', in 2019 and the GOP organization in VA blew it. 2020 will only be 'huge' if VA isn't the example.
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I hear you, but you have to give this man credit. You can't just point to his weakness all the time. He's got a record now. He may have been a liberal for most of his life and not the most pro gun guy. But with the exception of the bump stock ban, he has held up to immense pressure to Do Something and he just lets things fade away... which is the right thing to do cause no new law would have stopped any of the dozens of shootings since he's been president. I thought for sure he was going to push the 21 year limit like Former Gov Scott, who I now despise for that reason.

It's easy to point out his flaws, but I give him credit for a lot of things. If McCain or Romney were president during the Vegas shooting, I pretty much know what they would have been pressured to do... and they would probably have done it.
 
Almost ten years of political propaganda in the palm of the hand. You will soon have young adults coming to voting age that have had the same propaganda machine teaching them the morals of the social media companies.
Gun ownership, among other conservative ideals are considered to be immoral by a majority portion of the voting public. There is no way to be successful in the endeavor of retaining our rights at the current level of resistance. Fortune 500 companies are behind gun control

efforts. Even many leaders, sheriff’s, police chiefs, generals and many more.
Gun rights activists will have exceed the efforts of the other side. We will never organize enough to retain rights in the future.
They want to take guns. They are organized. They are serious. They cross state lines. They march. They buy ads. They have tech platforms that support their goal. Corporations that support the goal. Banks and financial institutions sometimes limit access to commerce.

What do we do? Molon Labe bumper sticker maybe.
 
44 AMP said:
"Always has been. Just don't be fooled into thinking that being organized and having influence in the legislature is enough to keep our gun rights. It's not. Look at Washington state as an example. The last couple gun control laws passed were not passed by the Legislature. They had been DEFEATED in the Legislature SEVERAL TIMES. They got passed through Voter Initiative, thanks to a lot of money being spent on ad campaigns targeted in the urban areas of the state, misleading and even lying to the people, and the people's general laziness in voting based only on the title of the law, NOT what was in it. The measures passed in the 5 counties of the I-5 corridor (Seattle metro area) and nowhere else in the state.

HOWEVER, those counties had the population density to make it the law for the entire state.

SO don't think being able to keep anti gun laws from being passed in the Legislature is enough to keep our rights."
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I live in Washington. I watched it happen. You would not believe how many 5-color slick over-sized cards I got in the mail extolling the virtues of additional gun safety laws. Nearly all of it was paid for by money coming from outside the state. Bloomberg for certain, but others as well. It was an extremely well-financed campaign, and, I am certain, was also directed by agencies and individuals outside the state as well.

You are correct. Having encountered challenges from SCOTUS on down at the federal level, the new agenda is to bypass the federal (Constitutional) Bill of Rights and outlaw rights at the State level, where there are no over-arching prohibitions against, for example, requiring that every gun sold in the state be registered on a Statewide database at the time of sale. Want a gun? It's registered in your name at the time of sale on a State database. This is only one part of a more comprehensive anti-gun foundation, but it sets the stage for much worse abuses in the future.

It's what all states have to look forward to, so long as outside money is welcomed into a state to influence state elections. The Bloombergs of the world can indeed purchase the outcomes of elections, with enough money spread in the right places. "Democracy" is a more fragile construct than many believe.
 
Bloomberg and his spin-off "grass roots" organizations have been spending heavily in carefully selected states to elect anti-gun legislators and to enact anti-gun laws.
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No doubt but where is/are the GOP version(s) of Bloomberg?
 
Regrettably, I'm unaware of any pro-gun billionaires.


I'm not even sure that aside from manufacturers associations there are *any* deep pockets individual contributors in the United States.

That's why, even though I'm disappointed and feel betrayed by the NRA and the antics of WLP at it's helm, I conclude that (at least currently) the only vestige of an active organization that can focus the small donations of millions of members to successfully sway votes at the federal and state level in US politics remains the NRA.

If anyone else see's any pro-gun billionaires out there ready to fund about a decade or two of resistance to anti-gun conspiracy, please point them out.
 
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