Single Six
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Well, if I may put this grim subject aside momentarily...from now on, I wanna hang out at SilverCorvette's place! 
Proposed Mag Ban: "Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act"
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I use the 30 rd glock mags for my Keltec Sub2K to shoot bowling pins on a private farm. Why, because I can.
What if this idiot in AZ used a pump shotgun with 6 or 8 rounds of buck shot??? Could have had the same result so we should be looking at banning shotguns?
I was watching MSNBC and they were going after the argument of if someone would have had the carry permit and was packing they probably would have missed the attacker. We will never know, but "unarmed" people took the idiot down, I would have thought someone packing could have ended it sooner.
Banning magazines is stupid. Look how many are out there already and now they are selling like hotcakes.
What if this idiot in AZ used a pump shotgun with 6 or 8 rounds of buck shot??? Could have had the same result so we should be looking at banning shotguns?
I was watching MSNBC and they were going after the argument of if someone would have had the carry permit and was packing they probably would have missed the attacker. We will never know, but "unarmed" people took the idiot down, I would have thought someone packing could have ended it sooner.
Banning magazines is stupid. Look how many are out there already and now they are selling like hotcakes.
silvercorvette
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Maybe I will be driving past your area, if you are anywhere between SC and AZ I'll be driving to AZ this spring to visit a childhood buddy, I have known him since I was about 7 or 8 years old when I lived in NY, he moved to AZ after he got out of the air force and the last time I saw him was in the 1980's so I am looking forward to visiting him and will be bringing my guns with me to shoot with my bud.
This cold weather has been kicking my butt and has my arthritis acting up. I just bought another progressive reloading press with bullet and case feeder (still waiting for the case and bullet feeder they are on back order) so I can feed my guns less expensively, I want to load up a few thousand rounds of ammo to bring with me for the trip.
silvercorvette
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Have you ever herd of the term divide and conquer?
I'm not worried about this. There seems to be little traction for the idea in Washington.
I've been following the debate on how to keep guns out of the hands of the insane. There aren't many good ideas about this. No one seems to know how we can identify these people and keep them from harming themselves or others.
I've been following the debate on how to keep guns out of the hands of the insane. There aren't many good ideas about this. No one seems to know how we can identify these people and keep them from harming themselves or others.
dlb, that issue is hard to resolve, and changes over time. I have a high school friend who has been very sane, normal, and smart for almost all of his life, even did law review at Cornell, and is now a nice preacher man. There were a few weeks, separated by an interval of years, during which he definitely fell into the "brain not working right = can't have a gun" category by any reasonable definition. I was present before, during and after the first one and during the second one. Long story, but the point is that about a week before each episode, anyone would swear he was normal, just as they would today.
He was not violent, but sure as heck was not rational. I really do not believe that government can come along and catch these people at the critical moment, and then there is the problem of restoration of rights once sanity is restored. How long is long enough? How sane is sane enough? If you're the guy making that call, the "safe" thing to do will always be to deny restoration.
He was not violent, but sure as heck was not rational. I really do not believe that government can come along and catch these people at the critical moment, and then there is the problem of restoration of rights once sanity is restored. How long is long enough? How sane is sane enough? If you're the guy making that call, the "safe" thing to do will always be to deny restoration.
Single Six
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I just got back from the gun show a few minutes ago...thought I'd relate this story: While standing at a dealer's table, a guy next to me asked the dealer if he had any more high-capacity factory Glock mags for a G17. The dealer replied, "Nope. Sold out of those earlier today." The customer was visibly dismayed, and asked him, "How did THAT happen?!" The dealer replied: "After the thing in Arizona, people are starting to panic." Now, I hasten to add that this was an exchange between one dealer and one customer, and a single overheard conversation don't necessarily make it so, but still....if enough people think the worst is coming, the price gouging may resume soon. For what it's worth, I managed to score three Ruger factory 15 rounders for $26.00 each. P.S.: Silvercorvette: I'm not on your route, but enjoy that very long trip you'll be taking soon. Hope it's quick but safe! 
Glenn E. Meyer
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Cabela's today had a full display of the 30 ish Glock mags for $44.99. Didn't see the UN outside waiting to seize them.
I was buying a six gun because I'm so PC.
I was buying a six gun because I'm so PC.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Morning news shows' panel of experts - ahem - all think there will be no new gun legislation. The potential of such and the threat of such are good fund raising PR paradigms. One news reporter asked the VPC guy if he was using Tucson by sending out a fund raising letter so quick.
On the other hand, I did get e-mails to buy hicaps before the Elders come for my gun in the UN heliocopters.
A more serious issue is what we do for the mentally ill in this country. I see the debate turn towards that as most will realize that care and prevention are more useful things to discuss.
On the other hand, I did get e-mails to buy hicaps before the Elders come for my gun in the UN heliocopters.
A more serious issue is what we do for the mentally ill in this country. I see the debate turn towards that as most will realize that care and prevention are more useful things to discuss.
CobraCommander
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Maybe they all own shares of Glock?
The calls for reinstating the AWB (from the usual suspects) are not unique to this. They are always clamoring for a new AWB.
No, I don't. Pro-gun Republicans (and pro-gun Democrats for that matter) are usually put where they are by pro-gun voters. If they displease the pro-gun voters with such a draconian law, then the pro-gun voters will in all liklihood vote them out and they will lose a great deal of their protection.
Other than the usual suspects like McCarthy, Rush, Boxer, Feinstein, Schumer, Bloomberg, and Daley, I don't think gun control is a priority for anyone right now due in large part to the fact that it's been a toxic issue since 1994. Honestly, the VT shooting would've probably been a better time to take up the issue as there would've probably been more to gain from it (the AWB hadn't been expired as long and it could have been used as ammunition for the election that wasn't all that far away).
No, I think that the AZ shooting probably holds more value to the politicians who favor gun control as a way to point fingers at their opponents and critics and as a way to distract the public from other controversial issues like repeal of the healthcare law.
Like I said in the post-election panic of '08-09, we need to remain vigilant but I don't think it's time to go into full-on panic mode yet. Unfortunately, I think that some "in the industry" may be fanning the flames of panic for their own profits. I went to the Indy 1500 gun show on Friday and it was packed. I overheard more than one vendor advising customers to stock up before the ban (just like I heard them saying two years ago). My biggest fear in all of this is that the panic within the community will lead to the same type of price-gouging and hoarding we saw two years ago, although luckily I've got a long memory and have pretty much quit doing business with the gougers.
armoredman
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Silvercorvette, if you come a few miles south of Phoenix, we have a nifty free outdoor public range just south of Casa Grande.
Ultimate end of slippery slope,
I also agree this bill has about .05% percentage chance of passing, but I will still call and e-mail my congresscritters, so they know we're watching, even on the so-called "sure thing" bills.
Ultimate end of slippery slope,
I also agree this bill has about .05% percentage chance of passing, but I will still call and e-mail my congresscritters, so they know we're watching, even on the so-called "sure thing" bills.
silvercorvette
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It won't be a quick trip, I am retired and last year I got rid of my 30 to 35 MPG hybrid to buy a 12 to 15 MPG Dodge crew cab dually diesel. I bought a slide on camper loaded with microwave A/C, generator stove oven TV refrigerator toilet with stand in shower. I have two dogs that go everywhere with me. Traveling with a camper allows me the ability to pull over and take a nap if I am tired. I have done a lot of long distance driving in the past and the were times in the middle of the afternoon when I was sleepy and only needed to shut my eyes for an hour or two but had to pay for a full night in a motel. I could have bought a pull behind for less money but this is easier to park and drive
I am planning on doing the trip sometime in April or May and once I am sure I will have to fill out the form that is required by the BATF to travel with full auto guns. I also have a cousin that lives in Utah that I haven't seen in over 40 years that I may also visit.
The last time I did this was in the early 1980s in a small pull behind camper that had a toilet shower oven fridge and stove, but it didn't have all the cool stuff this one does. Traveling cross country back in the 80s was something I have fond memories of and I am looking forward to doing it again
I also hope to drive up north and meet with someone I know from another forum that is near the Dillon factory.
I couldn't agree more. We've got a very 19th century attitude about mental illness in this country, which usually revolves around stigmatizing and punishing it.
I'm doubtful that anyone could have forced Loughner into therapy, or that it would have done much good. Nevertheless, we've got a lot of folks saying that the shooting should "start a conversation" about one issue or another.
How about starting one about this? Some good may actually come of it.
I saw Senator Schumer say, on David Gregory's show, that the reason for the drop in the number of people who think we need more gun control, is because of the success of gun control laws, such as the Brady Law. Wow. What interesting logic he uses. I guess that's why he's the Sr. Senator from New York and I'm just an everyday engineer, trying to feed my family in the best way I know how. He's really smart. 
With respect to limiting magazine capacity, I can hear in my head, some future argument by a politician somewhere in the US. It goes like this: "Our heroic soldiers won WW2 using the M1 rifle which held just 8 rounds. If 8 rounds are good enough for our combat soldiers, 8 rounds should be good enough for any civilian needing to defend themselves."
With respect to limiting magazine capacity, I can hear in my head, some future argument by a politician somewhere in the US. It goes like this: "Our heroic soldiers won WW2 using the M1 rifle which held just 8 rounds. If 8 rounds are good enough for our combat soldiers, 8 rounds should be good enough for any civilian needing to defend themselves."
Glenn E. Meyer
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Criminologists and economists, etc. have studied the issue and found that gun control laws had no effect on crime rate. He should know his stuff.
However, the same studies didn't find CCW had benefit either.
Google scholar the issue for references.
However, the same studies didn't find CCW had benefit either.
Google scholar the issue for references.
The event spurring this discussion proved both of those points. I've heard more than a few people opining that they'd have "done something" if they were there.
In reality, there wasn't a clear shot from what I can gather of the situation. In fact, the CCW holder on the scene chose not to use his sidearm, but to help wrestle the shooter to the ground. Good call on his part.
My point? People love to use public shootings as examples of how armed citizens might have made a difference. This isn't one of those.
silvercorvette
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I moved from NY over 3 years ago, while I lived there is was hard to avoid seeing him on TV, Schumer is an arrogant person with the power to effect our lives in a negative way
His attitude toward Susan Hupp when she testified about the October 1991 Texas shooting was despicable
it's almost 20 years later and the issue of magazine capacity has come up again
The issue of magazine capacity was addressed by her rather well back then, and she does a good job schooling them on the 2nd
unfortunately I tried to find a video with Schumer's response to her testomony but he was edited out, the best I could do was find the one from Penn and Teller and they use some strong language. If you are offended then listen to her and stop the video when the P&T part starts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=related
His attitude toward Susan Hupp when she testified about the October 1991 Texas shooting was despicable
it's almost 20 years later and the issue of magazine capacity has come up again
The issue of magazine capacity was addressed by her rather well back then, and she does a good job schooling them on the 2nd
unfortunately I tried to find a video with Schumer's response to her testomony but he was edited out, the best I could do was find the one from Penn and Teller and they use some strong language. If you are offended then listen to her and stop the video when the P&T part starts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=related