Proposed Mag Ban: "Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act"

We need to be very careful when we consider surrendering any of our Constitutional rights with the misguided idea that this will appease the anti-gun lobby and they will then go away – they won’t.
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Who's talking about appeasement? They no longer hold such sway that we have to give them anything.

They had two years with their ideal guy in the White House, and their ideal balance in Congress, and what did we get? Advancements in the 2nd Amendment.

The rules have changed, and it'll be a very long time before the pendulum swings back.
 
GoOfY-FoOt

How far does she usually get? So we know when to start getting nervous?...

Bill Sponsorship & Cosponsorship

Carolyn McCarthy has sponsored 149 bills since Jan 7, 1997 of which 141 haven't made it out of committee and 5 were successfully enacted. McCarthy has co-sponsored 2,306 bills during the same time period. (The count of enacted bills considers only bills actually sponsored by McCarthy and companion bills identified by CRS that were themselves enacted, but not if they were incorporated into other bills, as that information is not readily available.)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400257


I'm not really shaking in my boots right now.
 
Tom Servo said:
They had two years with their ideal guy in the White House ...
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Reading that in conjunction with "Prohibits the importation of the devices" bothers me.

Obama is acting through the EPA to limit greenhouse gases, even though he couldn't get the law he wanted passed by Congress. Administratively banning 'high capacity' magazine imports would be minor in comparison. And administrative limits on firearms imports did not seem to hurt Bush or Clinton.
 
I think it's interesting that the bill exempts:

...an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.".
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My impression is that this is intended to exempt tube-magazine fed semiautos such as the Marlin model 60.

But the language is very clumsy and I wonder how far it could be stretched.

"Attached" doesn't mean "fixed". This could open up the possibility for a detachable "tubular device". Calico style drums are certainly tubular.

I also wonder how spicy of a .22 rimfire cartridge could be developed.
 
Patriot86, I pose a simple question to you...

How would a magazine ban have kept the Congresswoman from being shot?

How would it have kept anyone else from being shot?

This was a terroristic, criminal act. To restrict the magazines that carry cartridges is the utmost in plain stupidity.

Punish the CRIMINALS--NOT the inanimate objects.
 
Sigh, my congresswoman gets an NRA F-letter to her...

My name is Tom -----, and it is my understanding that you're my congressional representative. I believe it's important to take a moment to write you an email regarding Rep. Carolyn McCarthy's attempt to introduce the 'Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices Act' to congress. As an active duty military member, our freedoms defined in the bill of rights are especially important. They seem to have a different taste now that I've sacrificed parts of my own life to defend them. This bill takes away specific parts of my second amendment. As I'm sure you know, there are a significant amount of military members living in your district due to the close proximity of MacDill AFB, home of US Central Command, US Special Operations Command, and the 6th Air Mobility Wing. The vast majority of individuals I work with are actively involved in shooting sports. Common firearms we shoot are military 'style' weapons with magazines that hold over ten rounds. Taking away those would affect us on a daily basis in the realm of both sporting and self defense. I'm sure you know that everyone isn’t a criminal, and this bill would be doing to deter a criminal, it would however criminalize good people. Had NCIS been properly notified, and had the young man in Arizona recently not lied on his background check paper he'd have been disqualified for firearms purchase. The weapon he used was a Glock model 19. My personal legal concealed weapon of choice is a G19. It's the weapon I trust my life to, and trust to protect the life of my family. In the hands of a person, it is nothing more than a tool for self defense. No more dangerous than a knife is in the hands of someone willing to do another harm. Ma'am, I beg you; I implore you to do the right thing, and if this bill crosses you the only choice to strictly oppose it.

Thank you for your time,
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"Ask yourself honestly, who needs a 32 round pistol Magazine?"


Ask yourself honestly...

Who needs a magnum?

Who needs a gun with a barrel shorter than 6 inches?

Who needs a semi-automatic?


Surrender by increments is a damned dangerous way to approach preservation of your rights.

The British and Canadians tried that, and look where it got them.
 
So does anyone care to speculate on when the prices of factory hi-cap mags will be going through the stratosphere, as they did in the '90s? The big gun show at the state fair grounds in Raleigh is this weekend...does anyone think the ripple effect will have started by the time I get there, and a $30.00 magazine will already be $90.00?
 
There will be some profiteering, there's no doubt about that, in large part driven by lemmings who rush out to stock up.

But...

Realistically, I think most people recognize that such bills have little to no hope of going anywhere, so any bump in prices will likely be momentary.
 
Since the average defensive shooting has only two shots on the average. I propose the Remington Derringer pattern be the only allowed handgun in the United States. Since if you can get the 410/45 LC version with the newly designed ammo for the Judge (to be banned), and that ammo forgoes the need to aim and is an instant stopper - the majority of self-defense cases will be handled. Look at what one shot did to the watermelon.

Or - these bills will go nowhere. They will be used as fund raising tools by both sides of the gun debate. The Congress still will be tied up with health care, etc. and partisan bickering for their own self promotion.

McCarthy lost her husband and son was injured - she will do this until she retires. Same with Sarah Brady - she was driven by what happened to her husband. Predictable. Normal politics predicts these bills will go nowhere. If you want to move to the mountains - ok.
 
Patriot86 said:
Ask yourself honestly, who needs a 32 round pistol Magazine?
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Ask yourself honestly, who really needs a defensive handgun AT ALL?

Certainly most people NEVER will.

By far, the vast majority of violence is between criminals, drug dealers, addicts and dealers....

Most of us will NEVER, if we had TWO lifetimes, need any gun at all.

Let's just get it over with and ban them all now, eh?:rolleyes:





Hey, all you "slippery slope" and "incrementalism" guys.... where are you on all the threads where I mention slippery slope and I'm told over and over again that there's no such thing?:(
 
If something is proposed limiting rights and it is in the least bit around a member of congress being shot doesn't that constitute a conflict of interest?

It can be argued that they are proposing a bill out of personal interest and not the interest of the country as a whole. Out of all the shootings that have happend since the lapse of the the AWB there was almost no suggestion of support for the reinstatment until a member of congress is in the line of fire.

Its not proper representation if it is centered around this event.
 
Patriot86 said:
Ask yourself honestly, who needs a 32 round pistol Magazine?
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Kel-Tec Sub-2000's use glock magazines, yet they are a carbine/rifle. SO, can I buy 30rd Sub-2000 rifle magazines that just happen to work in a glock? Or how about a Draco or AR pistol? it may use rifle magazines, but it's a pistol? HK 9mm magazines work in HK94's and it's many clones and also in original HK SP89 "hand guns" and again many clones of it.

How are they gonna enforce the no transfer rule with regards to the above and most likely many more similar situations?

This sets up a bad set of circumstances where you could sell a standard 30rd AR mag and be charged with a crime cause they could say it would fit in a handgun, an AR-15 pistol, and is thus illegal.
 
Ask yourself honestly, who needs a 32 round pistol Magazine?
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Well, I'm guessing this bill exempts LEO agencies. Why? Why do cops need 30 round magazines? Do any agencies issue these (I'm betting they do)? Why?

Why can't we as law abiding citizens have what LEOs have? They are civilians also, ones that we hire to protect us (well, investigate crime). Why do they need them when we obviously don't?

If we ban 30 round magazines, they will just carry more magazines, or a few extra guns.

THE PROBLEM ISN'T THE CAPACITY OF THE WEAPON - IT'S THE PSYCHOPATH THAT WIELDED IT!!!!!!!

This is like the NRA board member who insisted that no one needs a rifle that can carry more than 5 rounds.
 
Hmmmmm Can someone say Grandstanding



Public Advocate de Blasio calls for NYPD Glock boycott

By BOB FREDERICKS and CHUCK BENNETT

Last Updated: 9:19 AM, January 14, 2011

Posted: 3:14 AM, January 14, 2011

Law-enforcement agencies, including the NYPD, should boycott gun manufacturers who produce high-capacity magazines like the one used to shoot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 19 others, a top city official said yesterday.

"If Glock will not stop selling these magazines to consumers, then the New York City Police Department should start buying the firearms they need from a different company," Public Advocate Bill de Blasio said.

"The New York Post editorial board has rightly argued that the Glock-manufactured 30-round magazines, like the one used by clearly disturbed Jared Loughner, present an unacceptable risk to human life, and at the same time no justifiable civilian purpose."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/advocate_to_nypd_holster_it_U2hfK2KiHLd2ED5Sc6WdOK#ixzz1B1vwYaYo


I love this comment:

"He added that Joe Gaudette, chief of Bridgeport's 410-officer police department, would not make any future firearms purchases from companies that make the extended magazines, including two Connecticut-based manufacturers, Sturm Ruger and Colt."

Looks like Bridgeport is going back to revolvers :D:D
 
Realistically, I think most people recognize that such bills have little to no hope of going anywhere, so any bump in prices will likely be momentary.
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That's what I'd hoped in December of 2008, but the shortages and price-gouging went on for months. As recently as summer of 2010, I had people calling me at all hours asking when the "ammo ban" was going into effect.

Urban legends spring up on the internet, and people don't think to google them for validity. Not everyone is on the internet, and many folks hear irresponsible rumors around the water-cooler at work, which they take for truth. Weird stuff has a way of spreading like wildfire in the gun culture.

I hope this isn't as bad, but I fully expect to hear mild panic about the "magazine ban" for months to come.
 
Grandstanding - every politician does that. Since we don't do politics, I'll not give examples but have some realism to understand that the political animal of any party says absolute horse crap to excite the lower levels of the populace.

Evidence is irrelevant for most politicians.

If as a representative of the RKBA, you rant and personally attack folks who disagree with you - you contribute nothing. It might be fun on the internet but you convince no one. In the face of these events - you have to make cogent, rational arguments for your position.
 
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