Price of 777, sell my wife and kids,truck, house

steve i reload 45-70 too and i use 777 with the 44-45 pistol wads to fill the space and i have never had a fouling problem at all.i do the same with 45 colt .
 
The amount of grease I use is not enough to get anything messy. Mine is Bees wax and bore butter melted togeatherand then placed in small containers. First the powder, then the wad and then just enough grease to form a ring around the mouth of the chamber. Try it some time , you will like how nice the ball loads and how clean the chambers are after you shoot. also like a little grease on the cylinder pin and cylinder pin hole and a very small smear on the star.
New name for Steve, Lol. "Greaser":D
 
That's all funny. The forum must be mostly old farts. Dragoon, you got me by a couple months.

Lucky Strike Green was WWII, for some reason they needed the green ink, so the packs were changed to white and never went back. "Lucky Strike Green Has Gone to War". Loved the taste ans smell of Chesterfields, just that I liked Camels better. Smoked them for 35 years till they hit near 5 bucks a pack, AND they made that big deal about additives. When they made them without the added stuff, thay tasted the same as the 3 buck generics, so went to them, then to Winchester little cigars, buck 35 a pack. Hey, I gotta smoke, don't have to go broke doin' it. They do stink, like the PC guy up there kidded me about. I did say kidded, don't take offence. I prefer George to gmatov, just the way I registered..

Did I mention that I just yesterday got my 58 Rem, the Cabelas Pietta model?

Have a Colt repro '51 and '60, the '58 is absolutely magnificent!!! Mebbe because it is my first new one, the others were Gunbroker buys, and them only because I bid a buck more, 3 days later I was told I won.

The .44 has been a blast. Love it. The .36, can't find .380 ball locally, haven't shot it yet. The .375 balls I bought fall into the chambers, not good.

Ah, well.

Cheers,

George
 
That bore butter and beeswax combo sound interesting as well as the beeswax and olive oil combo. Steve/ Mike are those 1:1 mixtures? I might like to try out each one and see which give me the best results.

I've been experimenting with different lubes on the cylinder pin and cylinder star,(bore butter, lard, rem oil, anti seize lube) and I've started experimenting with different powders to see which combo works best for me. So far my best results are (strangely enough) pyrodex ffg and bore butter :confused: . The pyrodex produces a lot more fouling than the 777 (it gets all over everything) but it seems to be a softer fouling than the 777. The 777 doesn't produce much fouling and you can spit on it and wipe it off, but while the fouling is dry it's a harder consistency than the pyro fouling.

I'd like to add these beeswax combos and also some fffg goex to the mix and see which one works the best for 24 shots for keeping the gun running smooth. Now if I can just find some beeswax...
 
1/3 bees wax-2/3 butter. When you mix it just mix a little and let it cool to see if you like the consistency. If not then you can always ad more of one or the other to make it the way you want it. More bees wax will make it stiffer and less greasy, just sticky.
Low Key, Ask around work and friends about any bee keepers or people selling honey. Most bee keepers will be glad to give or sell you some. Also there are alott of traditional sites that sell it.
 
Just got 5, 1 pounders of 777 at the gun show for $50.Thats $10 a pound. At our local gun show 777 is always $21 a pound at the dealer tables.Boy,did I luck out.Always check out your local gun shows,its worth it.
 
Hi,

I am new to black powder but it seems interesting so I have started saving for a EuroArms Whitworth rifle :D

Anyways I was just going around doing some rescreach and seeing that your discussing powders here what do you suggest I use ?? :confused:

Any help would be most welcomed :D

Dimitri
 
Dimitris,
I Use Triple Seven By Hodgon But Others Here Use Goex.its Real Up To You And What You Like And What Your Gun Likes.you'll Just Have To Play With It ,the Fun Part,and Find The Perfect Load.the 777 Works Great For Me And It Cleans Up With Hot Water.
 
MPP,

Thanks for the reply :).

I want to learn about BP rifles but I am going to have to wait for the purchase of the rifle seeing as I need to save up for it as well as pay for the costs of college. :)

Tell me do any of you use your BP rifle on game ?? Its legal here and I figure since they used to kill animals with it it should be possible be today. What do you think ?? :confused:

So any tips would be greatly appericated.

Dimitri
 
I get my beeswax from old fashioned toilet seals. If you look around, you can still find the ones with real bees wax, rather than the newer poly/petro wax.

Pops
 
They work fine on game, DimitriS. You have to pay a little more attention to details than with a modern firearm but that's one of the things we all seem to like.
I, too, was saving up for a Whitworth when my head was turned by an M-1 Garand, so now I have to start saving again. If you get one, be sure to keep us all posted on how it shoots. I think one of those would just about equal the performance of many modern rifles, given the type of bullet it uses. As far as powder goes, one of the reasons the Whitworth wasn't adopted as a regular issue for military use was due to the rapid fouling it was apparently prone to do. It is safe to say that a replica Whitworth will foul up as rapidly as the originals if you use regular black powder. There are black powder substitutes, like Kevin's 777, which may reduce that somewhat. I just figured that I could clean between shots on the range and when hunting. If I have to use something in a battle, I have an old Garand............

Steve
 
Steve499,

I have read about the fauling problem and that seems to happen because of how Whitworth bullets are formed to fit without a air gap in the barrel with the rifling so the barrel would just be able to move up and down freely without any play. :)

They also cost quite abit more compared to other rifles too at that time they cost as much now as they did then almost! :eek:

If I can get 2 shots off it without much fauling then its fine by me :D I dont honestly execpt to take a 2nd shot at a animal anyways. :)

What brands sell Original black powder though ?? I have been looking around but I dont see many that state "Real" or "Substatue" :confused: Mind you I do like the idea of cleaning the rifle with boiling water. But dont most black powder guns just clean with plain old hot water ?? :confused:

Dimitri
 
Dmitri,

Plain very hot water will do, the hotter it is, the faster it will evaporate, but does not have to be boiling. From the barrel, that is, it will need less drying with some other heat

Put some dish liquid in the water, mebbe more than you would in a sinkful to do the dishes, clean away.

Cheers,

George
 
Dimitris,
Goex Is Real Powder.and Yes All Will Clean W/hot Water But I ,myself,think The 777 Cleans Easier.but There Are Some Diehards On Here That Swear By Real Powder Instead Of The Subs And Thats Ok Cause Thats What Its All About Is We All Are A Little Different But Still Have The Same Fun.and Dont Count On Not Getting That Second Shot! I Have Had Boo Boo's Where I Needed A Second Shot And Got It Right The Second Time.you Just Never Know.
 
From what I have seen myself a blackpowder rifle will equal and sometimes exceed the performance of modern rifles over short range. The drawback is slow re-loads, but bp rifles definitely do have the stopping power you need for taking game. MPP1423 is right too, don't count out that second shot...I've seen top notch shooters miss a chip shot and then have to pick their jaw up off the ground to re-load for a second try! ;)
In some places it's hard to find real black powder. Goex, swiss, and elephant are all real bp and 777, pyrodex, american pioneer, and black mag are bp substitutes. They will probably be easier to get, as most bp shops sell them. Personally I have some 777, pyrodex, and goex and use all three for different things but my guns don't seem to have a preference for one over the other. 777 does give you less fouling for sure, but goex has that great sulphur smell! :D
 
MPP,

Ok after I get used to reloading I'll not count the 2nd shot out completly :)

LowKey,

Thanks for the list of powders, and I realize that most BP shooters go for the substatues because they are easier to clean. Most hunters I know that even have considered BP rifles as hunting rifles all want or have thouse new inlines and think with thouse Hornady LNL sabots and powder they cant shoot as many times as they want. :eek:

I want to remain more traditional with the BP rifle compared to most I know. Its just me but if I wanted a modern rifle/equipment for a hunt I wouldnt use a BP rifle, thouse new inlines and thouse ones that look like bolt action rifles just ruin it for me. :o

Well we will see how this goes I'll probrobly end up looking for some Geox because alot of you seem to prefer that and I want to stick to a sure thing when I start off, Plus real black powder is supposed to smell like sulfur isnt it ?? ;) :D

Dimitri
 
DimitriS,
I know what you're saying about the bp rifles. I have one of the inlines that looks like a bolt action myself, (cva hunterbolt that I shoot powerbelt lead bullets through), but I like the traditional style as well. Id like to have one of the Hawken replica's that cabela's sells and may get one sometime next year.

IMO I think that the old round patched ball can do as much or more damage that a modern hollowpoint bullet. The round ball doesn't behave like the hollow point on impact, the way it was explained to me, (thanks Remington Kid), is that on impact the round ball flattens out so that nearly 50% of it's surface area is in contact with the target and then it flips over and over and tears a huge wound channel. The round ball was good enough to dispatch a lot of critters in it's day and it still deseves a healthy respect today.
 
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