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You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.
If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.
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This appears to be what he said.

Looks to me like the poll doesn't quite cover the possibilities. What he said was what the exact words mean. Make yourself capable of being productive here at home or else going to Iraq might start looking like an attractive alternative to you.

Sounds exactly like what my mom used to tell me constantly when I was in high school. Buckle down or else you'll end up going to Viet Nam.

SSDD.

I have to admit Kerry's a moron for not just admitting that the words meant exactly that (when you don't twist them). If it was a joke, it wasn't one to get a laugh. It was to make a point. I'm sure it was not aimed at Bush. It is what it says on its face.
 
RIGHT The same way all the leftys have dissected every word coming out of Bush's mouth for the last 6 years. Oh wait a minute, Bush still has two years before he can be reelected They do get twelve years term limit when the nation is at war, correct?
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Amendment XXII
Passed by Congress March 21, 1947. Ratified February 27, 1951.

Section 1.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

badbob
 
1. The young lad oughta study his lines before trying to deliver them.

2. Whoever wrote the purported joke wasn't the brightest star in the heavens. The doofus probably didn't even realize he was dissing the troops. I grant the possibility of snobbism that inherently looks down on those not of his--or Kerry's--own social stratum.

3. The intent was a slam at Bush. See #2, above.

Art
 
When you and/or your wife are being raped, robbed, murdered or tortured or just terrorized...
I truly hope your neighbor's consider you, and your house, "God-forsaken" and lift not a finger to help you... for "ANY" good reason...
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Nice thought.

"lift a finger" is to "war in Iraq" as "molehill" is to "mountain".
 
It is plausible that Kerry was attempting to attack Bush, rather than the troops. His speechwriter probably thought that given the general perception that Bush is unintelligent, it was probably comedy gold.

This is still damning for Kerry in four ways.

1. The speech, as written as well as delivered, was insulting to troops. The "joke" was very likely to be interpreted exactly as people have interpreted, especially coming from Kerry. Robert Byrd is the last person who should use the word niggerdly, and Kerry is the last person who should make remarks about troops in Iraq.

2. It refocused attention on the fact that Bush did better than Kerry in his education.

3. It refocused attention on Kerry's history of lying in his Congressional testimonyon the issue of troop activities in Vietnam.

4. Kerry is a elitist narcisist who, historically, has demonstrated an inability to recognize his own errors and to blame others for those errors. After making the remarks, he accused everyone else for the problem and accepted no blame. Only after the Democrats publicly called on him to apologize and began ostracizing him did he make his apology . . . followed immediately by another attack on the administration. He thus showed his true character, and helped (hopefully) put another torpedo in his future ambitions.
 
badbob said:
Amendment XXII
Passed by Congress March 21, 1947. Ratified February 27, 1951.

Section 1.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

badbob
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Badbob, you don't get sarcasm do you. I hope I won't have to explain that one to you but I will if need be.:cool:
 
buzz knox said:
4. Kerry is a elitist narcisist who, historically, has demonstrated an inability to recognize his own errors and to blame others for those errors. After making the remarks, he accused everyone else for the problem and accepted no blame. Only after the Democrats publicly called on him to apologize and began ostracizing him did he make his apology . . . followed immediately by another attack on the administration. He thus showed his true character, and helped (hopefully) put another torpedo in his future ambitions.
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Not only HIS ambitions, most people don't look at Kerry and see Kerry, they look at Kerry and see Democrat. That remark has set the Democrats a step or two:rolleyes: back especially in the eyes of the servicemen/ women and their familys.
 
IZHUMINTER:
First let me say thanks for your service and sacrifices to this country and I am sorry for your loss of friends and relatives.
Kerry as far as I'm concerned should be told to resign ,he has no respect
for anything but his quest to ruin this nation with his and others left
wing ideas of a new world order.

Thank you again for your service just my .02
 
It's obvious the remark was an attempt at insulting Bush.
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There is not an iota of evidence, for one nano-second, that points Kerry's assinine remark at Bush! :mad:

If it was so damned obvious... there wouldn't be any controversy!! :p

The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant...
It's just that they know so much that isn't so.
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US President, Ronald Reagan
 
I think Bush's joke about looking for WMDs in his office and under his desk at a roast a few years ago was far more insulting to the troops.
 
As a former soldier myself watching my children cycle through the war on terror, I would like to know what is so funny about the war that you would stand on a podium and try to make a joke of it in a public setting.

Every politician should save their crude attempts at humor and show respect for the serving military folks. God knows they have earned it and very richly deserve that from all of us, regardless of your individual stance on this fight is.

Kerry's statement is a blatant slap at the uniform, both from the original statement he made to the students, and his apology coming only from a website indicates to me a total lack of sincerity. Pray tell, how many returning units from his neck of the woods has he personally welcomed back?

The attitude of many of the politicians irks the crap out of me, not just from Kerry or the Democratic side of the aisle. Most of them wouldn't make a hair on the south side of a north bound soldier.

My eldest son, who returned from a tour in Samarra in December of last year was fueling his car at a local station just outside of Columbus, Georgia recently. On the back of his SUV, he has a decal of a combat medic's badge, of which he is very proud of and I think has every right to be.
While minding his own business, some idiot female walked up to him and began to berate him for his service very loudly. Idiot female should pick a better spot to voice her opinion, because a half a dozen soldiers at the gas station heard the commotion and quickly surrounded Ms Idiot and shouted her down. Glad I was not there, because I would be in jail right now.

Statements making light or veiled criticism of the soldiers conduct or intelligence by congressmen fuels this kind of thing, and that should NEVER be the case. The soldiers don't get to pick the war they fight. If you have a beef, take it to Washington where it belongs.
 
"If it was a Republican that said it I wouldn't give a crap one way or the other."

Are you certain, or are you just pulling my leg? You'd honestly pass up a chance to slam a Republican and take a slap at the President?

John
 
Kerry was just telling it like it is. Anybody in the military, currently or formerly, is either too sensitive or feigning excessive sensitivity to create an issue.
 
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Kerry was just telling it like it is. Anybody in the military, currently or formerly, is either too sensitive or feigning excessive sensitivity to create an issue.
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No, he wasn't, and your contention is preposterous. With only minimal exceptions, all of the armed forces require applicants to have either a high school diploma or GED before they are accepted. Compare that with the populace at large. Military service members consistently score better than members of the general populace on standardized test. Every commissioned officer is required by law to hold a degree...not to mention all the doctors, lawyers and chaplains who have advanced degrees. Are you claiming that none of those people applied themselves in school, or that if they were failures in academia that their only recourse is service in Iraq?

My office has two Warrant Officers and eight NCOs. Every one of us has served at least one tour in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. It's not because we aren't smart, hard-working people. One of the above is finishing his Associates...and the rest of us either hold or are in the process of acquiring Masters degrees. Every one of us has worked in the private sector and we've all had civilian job offers that would more than double our current military salaries. Nonetheless, we have all stayed in the military.

But disregard any of the facts, and go off your "gut feeling" of how he's "telling it straight." That's fine. Assuming you accept his remarks, remember that Yale (!) graduate John Kerry served in combat, even when he could have weaseled his way out of it. By his own logic, he must not have made the most of his education...
 
ok...

Kerry may have meant it as an insult directed towards President Bush, but sooner or later he needs to realize that it sounded like an insult directed towards our armed forces. Anyone who says what he did or thinks that what he said is true is very very wrong. There are many smart people in the military. Can you be an idiot and fly a fighter jet or helicopter? Can you be an idiot and run a tank? Can you be an idiot and figure out exactly where you need to place the crosshairs to take out the enemy from 800 yards away? Just because they don't sit behind a desk all day and push pencils doesn't mean that our soldiers are stupid. In fact I find it kind of ironic that those very soldiers are the people that protect Kerry's right to make an ass out of himself in public (free speech). He needs to apologize and the Dem. party needs to hire someone who screens everything he says. And one more thing... "Isnt the sideshow great! While our borders are unsecured, troops continue dying in Iraq, no national energey program, ect...ect...."
When have our borders ever been secure, where did you learn how to spell energy, and what do you think happens in war?
 
With only minimal exceptions, all of the armed forces require applicants to have either a high school diploma or GED before they are accepted.
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That sentence says that you can get in without even a GED.

But let's look again at exactly what Kerry said, shall we?

You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.
If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.
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In a volunteer military situation, you study hard and ..... and you can you can do well. Under these conditions, if you are not of a mind to charge into the Iraq meatgrinder, you aren't likely to have to.

But if you don't study hard, etc., your options become more limited, and a tour in Iraq might appear more tasty to you.

Very simple. No slap at Bush. If only he had the stones to slap at Bush and stick with his comments.
 
Can you be an idiot and fly a fighter jet or helicopter? Can you be an idiot and run a tank? Can you be an idiot and figure out exactly where you need to place the crosshairs to take out the enemy from 800 yards away?
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Well, let's see. These days fighter jets, helicopters, and tanks all have multiple onboard computers. Some run the engines. Some help pilot the machine (some even pilot entirely under certain conditions). Some aircraft can't be flown without them (stealth wings aren't all that aerodynamic), except perhaps into terrain. Some assist or accomplish fire control, including making air resistance and wind corrections for where to place those crosshairs. Some link various vehicles (AWACS, tanks, launcher sites, etc.) so that they become fighting systems.

Yeah, you can be much more of an idiot than meets the eye and still run the equipment. When a pilot or gunner delivers a "smart bomb" down the smokestack of a specific building, who really accomplished that incredible feat? The pilot or gunner had to be there, sure. But that smart bomb hit its target courtesy of Bendix, Raytheon, Texas Instruments, Motorola, Hughes, EG&G, and many other organizations whose efforts are purchased by the military.

I know this because I have worked for a couple of these companies. I turned down a civilian Navy position at the David Taylor Naval Ship R&D Center in Carderock, MD, because they couldn't touch what I was earning doing the same work for a contractor. I have a college buddy who works for Lockheed and has worked for Inmarsat who "can't really say what he does".

What do you think he means by that?

Study hard, get good grades, take an interest in something other than beer, and you might become more valuable in the defense of your country by sitting your ass in a laboratory than by hanging it out there to be shot at.

That is what Kerry was saying, and that's the way it is. It was an admonishment aimed at students. If enlisted men want to infer insult, let them.
 
I keep seeing...

all of these elaborate posts about what Kerry meant!:rolleyes: What he meant, which you have no clue of, and what he said are two very different things. He needs to realize what he said and apologize (and not a half assed one at that).
 
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